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Old 2 Mar 2007, 08:14 AM   #1
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Default Hanging at finalizing DVD+R DL

I've just spent weeks over in the Authoring and Editing section (see the incredibly long thread) with the help of r0lZ, jsoto, and a few other posters getting a flipper modified to my exact specifications and tried to burn it to a Verbatim DVD+R DL at 2X in ImgBurn. It made it all the way through the burn and hung at finalizing. So, it never got to verify. After rebooting, I tried to manually close the track/session/disc, per LUK's instructions in another thread, but it hangs doing that also and gives me a "Not Responding" message. So I have to reboot each time. Here's my log:

I 11:30:45 ImgBurn Version 2.2.0.0 started!
I 11:30:45 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 11:30:45 Total Physical Memory: 523,760 KB - Available: 115,048 KB
I 11:30:45 Initialising SPTI...
I 11:30:45 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 11:30:45 Found 1 DVD▒RW!
I 11:30:56 Operation Started!
I 11:30:56 Building Image Tree...
I 11:30:56 Checking Directory Depth...
I 11:30:56 Calculating Totals...
I 11:30:56 Preparing Image...
I 11:31:22 Using Layer Break LBA: 1850620 -> 1987088 (VTS_01, PGC: 1, Chapter: 12, Cell: 13, Vob/Cell ID: 2/1, Time: 01:25:08, SPLIP: Yes)
I 11:31:22 Checking Path Length...
I 11:31:22 Image Size: 8,139,112,448 bytes
I 11:31:22 Image Sectors: 3,974,176
I 11:31:22 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:26
I 11:31:39 Operation Started!
I 11:31:39 Building Image Tree...
I 11:31:39 Checking Directory Depth...
I 11:31:39 Calculating Totals...
I 11:31:39 Preparing Image...
I 11:31:45 Using Layer Break LBA: 1850620 -> 1987088 (VTS_01, PGC: 1, Chapter: 12, Cell: 13, Vob/Cell ID: 2/1, Time: 01:25:08, SPLIP: Yes)
I 11:31:45 Checking Path Length...
I 11:31:45 Image Size: 8,139,112,448 bytes
I 11:31:45 Image Sectors: 3,974,176
I 11:31:45 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:06
I 12:11:45 Operation Started!
I 12:11:45 Building Image Tree...
I 12:11:45 Checking Directory Depth...
I 12:11:45 Calculating Totals...
I 12:11:45 Preparing Image...
I 12:12:16 Using Layer Break LBA: 1850620 -> 1987088 (VTS_01, PGC: 1, Chapter: 12, Cell: 13, Vob/Cell ID: 2/1, Time: 01:25:08, SPLIP: Yes -> No)
I 12:12:16 Checking Path Length...
I 12:12:16 Image Size: 8,139,112,448 bytes
I 12:12:16 Image Sectors: 3,974,176
E 12:13:04 Operation Aborted! - Duration: 00:01:19
I 12:15:25 Operation Started!
I 12:15:25 Building Image Tree...
I 12:15:25 Checking Directory Depth...
I 12:15:25 Calculating Totals...
I 12:15:25 Preparing Image...
I 12:15:27 Using Layer Break LBA: 1850620 -> 1987088 (VTS_01, PGC: 1, Chapter: 12, Cell: 13, Vob/Cell ID: 2/1, Time: 01:25:08, SPLIP: Yes -> No)
I 12:15:27 Checking Path Length...
I 12:15:27 Image Size: 8,139,112,448 bytes
I 12:15:27 Image Sectors: 3,974,176
I 12:15:54 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:28
I 12:15:54 Operation Started!
I 12:15:54 Source File: -==/\/[BUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
I 12:15:54 Source File Sectors: 3,974,176 (MODE1/2048)
I 12:15:54 Source File Size: 8,139,112,448 bytes
I 12:15:54 Source File Volume Identifier: GANGS_OF_NEW_YORK
I 12:15:54 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.2.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!
I 12:15:54 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 12:15:54 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 12:15:54 Destination Device: [0:0:0] DVDRW IDE 16X A091 (F (ATA)
I 12:15:54 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x)
I 12:15:54 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824
I 12:15:54 Write Mode: DVD
I 12:15:54 Write Type: DAO
I 12:15:54 Write Speed: 2x
I 12:15:54 Link Size: Auto
I 12:15:54 Test Mode: No
I 12:15:54 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 12:15:54 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,987,088
I 12:15:54 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: IFO Cell Boundary
I 12:15:54 Filling Buffer... (20 MB)
I 12:15:57 Writing LeadIn...
I 12:16:28 Writing Image...
I 12:16:28 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 1987087)
I 12:36:26 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 1987088 - 3974175)
I 12:56:27 Synchronising Cache...
I 12:56:28 Closing Track...
I 12:56:29 Finalising Disc...
I 13:40:01 Abort Request Acknowledged

I've tested it in my computer with Power DVD and it plays fine, but will not play in either of my standalone players. Can someone please help me finalize the session/disc. I worked too hard on this to result in failure. TIA.

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Old 2 Mar 2007, 09:33 AM   #2
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I read part of that thread and it's a shame to waste such work on an old
marginal dvd burner
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DVDRW IDE 16X A091
those btc/emprexe burners weren't that good, btc finally gave up and quit
making burners

http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=67373

google on that drive gets a lot of hits which usually end something like this
Probably wasted 4 days pursuing problems that were all down to that BTC drive!

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Old 3 Mar 2007, 06:36 PM   #3
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I understand my drive is not good. I'm starting the process of looking for a new and better quality burner. In the meantime, are there any suggestions or diagnostics I can try to get this DVD finalized?

@Lightning UK, do you see anything noteworthy in my log? Is it possible to finalize the DVD using another burner in someone else's computer? If so, are there any special precautions I should take and is it necessary to use the same version of ImgBurn?

@Chewy, are the burners in your signature all recommended? Which one is your favorite? I found a pretty good deal on the Pioneer DVD-710. What can you tell me about the Pioneer DVD-710?
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&SubCategory=5

pioneers are usually good with dual layer burns

my burners are no longer sold
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pioneers are usually good with dual layer burns
Are they not good with single layer burns? Although I do want to finalize this dual layer DVD, I will be burning more single layer DVDs in the future.

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my burners are no longer sold
Well then, can you recommend some other moderately priced, good quality burners that I should have on my list?
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free shipping changes often but these are the 2 burners I would reccomend on price and performance,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151133
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106042
they are new and there are bugs still being worked on, but that's normal and firmware usually fixes it

both bitsett dvd+r, something regular pioneer and nec's do not

LG makes a good burner also
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free shipping changes often but these are the 2 burners I would reccomend on price and performance,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151133
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106042
they are new and there are bugs still being worked on, but that's normal and firmware usually fixes it

both bitsett dvd+r, something regular pioneer and nec's do not

LG makes a good burner also
@Chewy, thanks for those suggestions and links. The Lite-on didn't seem to have as good a rating as the Samsung. The Samsung SH-S182D looks very interesting and with all the positive write-ups and at that price, it's pretty much a no-brainer. But a couple of questions first . . . .

What are your thoughts on LightScribe? The Samsung SH-S182M looks like the same drive, but with LightScribe. It's only a few $ more and I think I'd like that capability. I'm aware of some of the current drawbacks of media price, burn time of the label, and the limitations of the image, but do they (LightScribe burners) burn the data the same as the non-LightScribe? In other words, if I burn non-LightScribe media with a LightScribe burner, will I notice a difference? I guess what I'm considering is that if LightScribe media prices come down in the future, and the technology improves, is it worth a few extra $ to get LightScribe today?

Finally, it appears that the Samsung comes with a black bezel. Do you know if there's a way to pick up a white/beige bezel for it? This is not very important, but thought I would ask.
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the models share the same hardware and will burn the same

a lot of people are finding this lightscribe to be inferior to just using printable disks, I agree

the liteon is a little newer, hence more problems/bugs

black is the most popular color so has the best bulk deals

here's a promising new model
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827136107

one bad review is from a noob
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here's a promising new model
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827136107

one bad review is from a noob
Thanks Chewy. You had to make my decision more difficult by introducing another drive with a white/beige bezel, didn't you? I was all set to get the Samsung. I'll just have to weigh the extra cost + shipping of the LG against getting a white/beige bezel. Maybe you can help me out by answering the following:

In your opinion, will the LG be just as good a choice as the Samsung from a performance standpoint?
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going on past experience, the lg's read slower/better, burn good on almost all media, but can't do any quality scanning, that why I have an lg and a benq paired together.

the samsung is making a name for itself tho and does quality scanning, if I had to choose I would get the samsung to save the money. Special will probably run out today tho.

your next computer will probably be black
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Thanks Chewy. I ordered the Samsung w/out LightScribe. Can't wait for it to get here. I appreciate all the advice.

I guess I'll keep the BTC/Emprex burner around for backing up data and in a pinch, burning single layer DVDs.
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@Chewy, the Samsung came in and I installed it. I put in my GoNY disc and tried to close the track/session/disc with ImgBurn. Closing the track did nothing. It seemed to hang when closing the session and eventually gave me a "Not Responding." After getting ImgBurn to shut down, I opened it back up and tried closing the disc and it gave me an error message. I rebooted the computer to try again and when I put the DVD in the burner, XP asked me if I wanted to play the movie. This was the 1st time that had happened, so I assume it's finalized, but I never got a message that it was finalized, or that ImgBurn was verifying. Nero CD-DVD Speed reports that it's closed. Any concerns here?

Oh, BTW, I could not do a Disc Quality scan on the Samsung. I thought you said that it could. The Emprex/BTC did Quality scanning w/out Jitter and PO failures, but the results are not good. See the thumbnail screenshot below. Are the poor results because of the subpar burner, or the fact that it didn't close properly? OTOH, the DVD did play in my stand alone players, so I think it's alright, despite the bad quality scan. What other tests should I run on the disc?



The Samsung came with firmware B04, and the Samsung website says that B05 is out and available to download. I plan to update to the latest firmware, but I thought I read somewhere (can't find it now) that it's not advisable to use Samsung's automated firmware update program. Do you know anything about that? If that is the case, what is the recommended method for updating the drive's firmware?

Thanks again for the advice Chewy. I have a feeling I'll be very happy with this burner.
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http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=212119

it will scan, you have to fix the registry

the m or the d, same problem

wait on the firmware and avoid dash R media for a while, they are fixing a problem, that's almost always the case with new models

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Thanks for the link, Chewy. That did the trick. The Samsung now scans. Will there be a difference between the Samsung scans and the Emprex/BTC scans?

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Huh? My limited experience causes me not to understand this statement. Could you please explain in newbie terms.

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wait on the firmware and avoid dash R media for a while, they are fixing a problem, that's almost always the case with new models
I've yet to use DVD-R on any burns. I've stayed exclusively with DVD+R.

There is a firmware update out there right now (B05). What is the recommended way of flashing the firmware? I thought I'd seen a post where someone said not to use Samsung's automated service. Is that true?
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I would do it manually from safe mode with the drive empty

m and d models of the 182

emprexe/btc's don't belong in the same sentence with your burner
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