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Old 25 Feb 2007, 09:53 AM   #1
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Default Where do ImgBurn's MDS files come from?

Howdy Folks,

I haven't visited this board in many months due to huge life changes (including retirement, moving from the West to the East coast, etc.), so I haven't seen the evolution of the Imgburn and its integration into the Target menu of DVDShrink. So please accept a few questions--and I'll be happy to follow pointers to threads. (I tried to read the recommended guides, but my kept getting HTTP timeouts).
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I'm an old hand at using DVDShrink/DVDDecrypter. Here's what I'm used to doing:

(1) I use Decrypter to rip a disk to an ISO. This gives me a .ISO file and a .MDS file.

(2) I then use Shrink to read the ISO file produced by Decrypter and reauthor to taste and shrink as necessary. I set Shrink to output an ISO.

(3) If I want to burn the ISO from Shrink now, I select "Burn with DVDDecrypter" target, and when finished, delete the ISO. If I don't want to burn the ISO immediately, I just select the ISO option.

(4) Assuming I chose not to burn immediately, at this point I have 2 ISO files: the one created by Decrypter containing the entire image, and the reauthored one created by Shrink suitable for writing on 4.7GB media. I also have the MDS file created by Decrypter. I've never known what this file was for, but Decrypter would scold me when I chose to burn an ISO when there was a corresponding ISO file available.

(4) When it came time to burn the ISO, I'd select the Shrink version because I've never experimented with DL media. After burning, I delete Shrink's ISO and keep the full-sized ISO and its MDS file for posterity.

The dropping price for bulk DL media, together with the new generation of HDMI up-converting DVD players (e.g. Sony Sony DVP-NS75H) have made want to write some movies to DL media.

My question are:

(1) If I read things correctly, ImgBurn doesn't rip DVDs. So where does the MDS file come from? (Based upon the scolding messages, I suspect that they contain optimization information such as where best to create layer breaks.)

(2) What in a nutshell--besides convenience--do I get by using ImgBurn instead of DVD Decrypter?

(3) If I switch to DL media, can I continue to do things the way I've always done them, or is there somthing in ImgBurn that enhances the outcome.

(4) I have several 8GB ISOs around without MDS files (don't ask). Are there any special procedures needed to burn these, or just let ImgBurn figure stuff out on the fly?

Thanks for your help,
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Old 25 Feb 2007, 10:15 AM   #2
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It's because you were ripping with Dvd Decrypter in ISO mode that the two files were created because that is the normal start of the process to do a straight 1to1 copy (Dual Layer). If Dvd Shrink was going to be involved because you were trying to make it fit on a single layer disc then the normal method would have been Dvd Decrypter in File Mode to rip it to your hard drive. ImgBurn is Dvd Decrypter's burn engine updated, in fact it has just been updated yet again. Now because of today's upodated protection & the fact that Dvd Decrypter no longer is, it needs some help. I am going to give you some links that you might find helpful & informative.

http://www.ripit4me.org/RipIt4Me%20Installer.exe

http://www.ripit4me.org/faq.html

http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=76548

http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=77130

That should get you going & if you have more questions, post back.
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Old 26 Feb 2007, 05:09 AM   #4
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Joe...
One thing I have learned in my short time here... QUALITY media is everything. In my opinion one Single Layer Quality disk is worth 100 duel layer disk when used correctly. When you talk about falling prices, umm yeah they are but the Verbatim and the TY's they talk about there are the way to go. I prefer Sony (though they seem to be slipping abit) and the brand names we (older folks trusted as kids.. means NOTHING anymore) The TDK, Memorex, Maxwell's.. pttthph! Keep the good one's for yourself and give the cheapies to family and friends... I've started that recently!
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

Also.. it's look funny but the links on it will answer MANY questions you may have:
http://forum.digital-digest.com/show...threadid=49635
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Old 5 Mar 2007, 08:08 AM   #5
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That should get you going & if you have more questions, post back.
OK, I downloaded everthing and had success with a really stubborn disk, "The Heart of the Game." The final disk was nicely output to 8.5GB ISO file associated MDS files.

When I open the ISO in DVDShrink, I wanted to reauthor so I could burn on just the movie on a 4.7MB media, but when I saw how the movie was scattered about--much of it in it a huge area of unreferenced material--I just burned the entire with Imgburn. Uneventfully. Thank you.

Next I decided I'd like to burn it to a DL disk, which I'd never even tried.

I bought 5 DL's Best Buy. (ImgBurn's startup info below.)


I put a Verbatim +R DL, fired up ImbBurn, selected the ISO, set the (Benq) Booktype to -ROM, and let'er rip (so to speak). It worked until it got to the about 50%, then failed a sector write after multiple retries. Coster #1.

I tried exactly same thing with eactly same result, except it made it to about 70%. Coaster #2.

So I decided to try an unopened box of Verbatim I'd bought on eBay. I did exactly the same steps, including setting the Booktype to -ROM. I tried two of these disks, and the lead-in doesn't even write. (ImgBurn's startup info below.)

The disks appear physcially identical. (I've attached a scan of one.)

So far, I'm zero for about 5. I'm at a loss. I'm willing to spring for a new writer, but the Benq has been a really good performer for me, and I don't want to jump to a fancy new one until I've exhausted the possibilities that I've mis-configured the software (or something else.)

Any ideas?

Joe



***********ImgBurn's startup screen for the Best Buy Verbatim *******

BENQ DVD DD DW1620 B7W9 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD+R DL

Disc Information:
Status: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 4,173,824
Free Space: 8,547,991,552 bytes
Free Time: 927:32:74 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x

DVD▒R DL Boundary Information:
L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,086,912
Changeable: Yes

Physical Format Information (ADIP):
Disc ID: MKM-003-00
Book Type: DVD+R DL
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,519

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: MKM-003-00
Book Type: DVD+R DL
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,520


***********ImgBurn's startup screen for the eBay Verbatim disk*******
BENQ DVD DD DW1620 B7W9 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD+R DL

Disc Information:
Status: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 4,173,824
Free Space: 8,547,991,552 bytes
Free Time: 927:32:74 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x

DVD▒R DL Boundary Information:
L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,086,912
Changeable: Yes

Physical Format Information (ADIP):
Disc ID: MKM-003-00
Book Type: DVD+R DL
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,519

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: MKM-003-00
Book Type: DVD+R DL
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,520
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Post your ImgBurn log - get it in %appdata%/ImgBurn

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I have ImgBurn's log set to append, but in fact it's overwriting each time. I looked in the registry and didn't see anything obvious.

Any ideas?

I have one of the Best Buy DVDs and several of the eBay DVDs left. I'll burn each and copy the log off to a separate file.
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put a Verbatim +R DL, fired up ImbBurn, selected the ISO, set the (Benq) Booktype to -ROM, and let'er rip (so to speak).
Did you mean to say MDS file here instead of ISO?
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I have ImgBurn's log set to append, but in fact it's overwriting each time. I looked in the registry and didn't see anything obvious.

Any ideas?
On the events tab, tick save the log and overwrite existing. If in doubt, click defaults, exit the prog and enable these settings again.

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