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Old 6 May 2008, 12:58 PM   #1
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Hey everyone,

I decided to give the program "Super" a try. While most functions of the program are intuitive, there are so many options that it can get a bit confusing.

I'm new to MKV, and MP4 files encoded with H.264. I've never worked with them before this year. I want to take a MKV file with AC3 audio and H.264 HD video and make a regular old DVD-9 from it.

The programs I have for transcoding and burning will accept most formats that I have worked with before, but they won't accept MKV. My virtualdubmod crashes with those files, so I decided to give super a try. I want to use it to transcode the video and direct copy the audio into a high quality AVI container. If I can do that, I can burn that DVD-9 using my usual programs.

I just wondered if anyone has written a good guide for Super. You know, a good one, like back when I first tried VirtualdubMod. I learned to use Vdub through those how-to guides. I'm just having trouble finding a guide for Super.

Anyone know where to find more info on using Super?

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Just drag the file into SUPER. Select your output container( AVI in your case) and output video codec( MPEG4 ? ).In Audio you can select Stream Copy.

BTW,if you have FFDSHOW and Avisynth installed, then you can open mkv in VD (or even TMPGEnc) via the DirectShowSource script.

You can also use mkvextractGUI to extract the elementary streams and remux them in avi container using AVIMuxGUI.
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I've already completed the operation. Successfully created a Xvid AVI with AC3 audio. The audio sounds like garbage, but it's there. Video looks great. The file will suit my purpose.

I do have FFDSHOW installed. Downloaded Avisynth but never installed anything. The reason I got Avisynth was to frame feed the file to vdub if it came down to that. Since Super did the job, no need to use Avisynth or Vdub for this operation.

I realize some of you are into using way complicated methods and multiple programs. So far in the past 8 years I have always managed to find a way to do what I need to do, (Thanks to DVF and some experimenting) eventually, and without complicated scripts and without having to learn all those programs. You're talking Avisynth, scripts, mkvestractGUI, AVIMuxGUI. Does it really need to be that complicated? I wonder.

Thanks for answering my post but I was only asking if there were any guides written for newbies regarding the use of Super. I'm not new to video operations, just new to Super.

I thought it would be nice to change some settings and just encode part of a movie to see the results of my settings so I used the "other options" button in super, and limited the clip to the first 100 seconds. Now the damn thing is stuck that way. I press "other options" so I can change it back, but it won't come up. I can't change it back. Now I'm ticked off.

UPDATE: Just needed to close it, then click "other options" BEFORE dragging a file to it.

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I have another minor issue with Super.

The original file has slight black bars encoded into the video at top and bottom. Super eliminates these bars, yet still encodes the video at the original size. So the video gets stretched slightly to fill the gap. This makes everyone look too tall. I've had these issues before with other programs and never did solve them. I have a hard time understanding aspect ratios and frame sizes.

This file is 832 X 416, but has black bars at top and bottom. Everyone looks normal.

I set super to keep the original size, but for some reason, it stretches the video to fill in the space where there was originally black bars. I think it should just encode the black bars into the output file but it doesn't.
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You're talking Avisynth, scripts, mkvestractGUI, AVIMuxGUI. Does it really need to be that complicated? I wonder.
They are not complicated when you learn to use them. SUPER is reasonable for small encodings and that too for beginners.And it does not give the user too many options to configure(as you have already experienced).
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How ? By ticking "No change" under video scale size ? Check if the cropping button is ON or not.
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How ? By ticking "No change" under video scale size ? Check if the cropping button is ON or not.
Yes, I used the "No change" option. I've played around with the cropping and padding feature and no matter what I do, it has absolutely NO effect on the outcome. It does absolutely nothing. Other than this one minor irritation, I'm pleased with the result.

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Can you please upload a very small sample (about 1 min) of the original 832 x 416 video so that I can test it in SUPER ?
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I would consider doing that, but as far as I know, the only program I have that could clip a one minute segment properly, (VirtualDubMod) crashes when I open MKV. That's the reason why I'm using Super in the first place.
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OK. Let me try and find some mkv sample then. Will revert to you once I get hold of one such file.
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Thanks for taking the time. After checking out the other MKV files I have, I noticed that ALL of them have black bars in varying sizes when played in zoom player. I mean that the frame size might say 832 X 416, but the picture doesn't completely fill the frame, leaving black bars at top and bottom. Some of them such as the one I used for my source in Super, has very slight bars. Others have larger bars. Seems as though Super ignores the bars and fills the frame with the picture. If you get a MKV, try converting one that has the bars, and you'll see what I mean.
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Here it is.First pic shows the mkv file in Media Player Classic. Second one shows the converted XviD avi in MPC. Third pic shows the settings in SUPER.




BTW, I could easily open the mkv in VirtualdubMPEG2 via avs script. Virtualdub just gives me so much freedom when creating an avi.

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I mean that the frame size might say 832 X 416, but the picture doesn't completely fill the frame, leaving black bars at top and bottom.
Please post full information about this file using Mediainfo(tree-view).

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First off, how did you get the screenshot. I tried that earlier, but the video doesn't show up in the saved file. It just shows the player with nothing there.

As you can see, the video you show has black bars in the first pic. My settings were no different than yours, except that I used direct stream copy for the audio, and perhaps a different bitrate. Everything else is the same.

My second pic of the converted video (if I could show you) would have the picture stretched to fill in the black bars.
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oops. Forgot the info. here it is.
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BTW: I found what I was looking for. In advanced mode, under "similar threads" there is a good guide for using Super.

Here it is: http://forum.videohelp.com/images/gu...superguide.pdf
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From your file info:
Width : 832 pixels
Height : 416 pixels
Display Aspect ratio : 2.35

Now 832/416 = 2 and not 2.35(as the Display Aspect Ratio).
This means that the file is using a non square pixel. Since you are converting to XviD avi(which uses a square pixel), you cannot keep the video resolution unchanged.
For a correct display at 2.35 DAR ,your XviD resolution will be something like 832 : 354(or 352 to make it divisible by 16).
So, in SUPER, under Video Scale Size you will have to put 832:352 and under Aspect select 1:1.

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