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Old 20 Jun 2007, 05:29 AM   #1
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Hi everytime I'm trying to encode a certain avi I get an error message saying "Unable to find any cells that could be used for the layer break" with the option to cancel or continue. When I continue it will produce an iso file that is too big for the dvd (the options are set on "auto" for audio and video in the project settings and the correct DVD size is chosen). The file is 24 fps, xvid, 5.1 channel audio and subtitles. I'm new to this program and I have followed the step-by-step instructions on digital-digest exactly, but to no avail. Any help would be greatly appreciated, Cheers Gila
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Old 20 Jun 2007, 06:28 AM   #2
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http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en

play around with this program, we need more clues

using the text view I got this info from an avi

Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format/Family : RIFF
File size : 697 MiB
PlayTime : 2h 3mn
Bit rate : 777 Kbps
Writing application : VirtualDubMod 1.5.10.2 (build 2540/release)
Writing library : VirtualDubMod build 2540/release

Video #0
Codec : XviD
Codec/Family : MPEG-4
Codec/Info : XviD project
Codec settings/Packe : Yes
Codec settings/BVOP : Yes
Codec settings/QPel : No
Codec settings/GMC : 0
Codec settings/Matri : Default
PlayTime : 2h 3mn
Bit rate : 618 Kbps
Width : 640 pixels
Height : 320 pixels
Aspect ratio : 2.000
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.126
Writing library : XviD0043

Audio #0
Codec : MPEG-1 Audio layer 3
Codec profile : Joint stereo
PlayTime : 2h 3mn
Bit rate : 146 Kbps
Bit rate mode : VBR
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
Resolution : 16 bits
Writing library : LAME3.90.
Encoding settings : ABR
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Old 20 Jun 2007, 07:06 AM   #3
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Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format/Family : RIFF
File size : 1.06 GiB
PlayTime : 1h 30mn
Bit rate : 1672 Kbps
Writing application : VirtualDubMod 1.5.10.2 (build 2542/release)
Writing library : VirtualDubMod build 2542/release

Video #0
Codec : XviD
Codec/Family : MPEG-4
Codec/Info : XviD project
Codec settings/Packe : Yes
Codec settings/BVOP : Yes
Codec settings/QPel : No
Codec settings/GMC : 0
Codec settings/Matri : Default
PlayTime : 1h 30mn
Bit rate : 1211 Kbps
Width : 768 pixels
Height : 432 pixels
Aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.152
Writing library : XviD0047

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
PlayTime : 1h 30mn
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Bit rate mode : CBR
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
ChannelPositions : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer

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Old 20 Jun 2007, 07:28 AM   #4
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pretty high bitrate and filesize for only 90 minutes of video?

flick isn't set for 2 pass is it? and target is set for dvd 4.3?

what size is it outputting now?
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Old 20 Jun 2007, 08:55 PM   #5
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Hi,
I didn't do the avi.
I unticked 2 pass, but it doesn't make a difference. I still get the same error message when image burn opens, press continue and the file is still too big (6 GB (I always choose 4.3GB))

Here's the log from image burn

I 11:46:00 ImgBurn Version 2.3.0.0 started!
I 11:46:00 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 11:46:00 Total Physical Memory: 1,048,048 KB - Available: 547,920 KB
I 11:46:00 Initialising SPTI...
I 11:46:00 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 11:46:05 Found 1 CD-RW, 1 DVD-ROM and 1 DVD▒RW!
I 11:46:05 Operation Started!
I 11:46:05 Building Image Tree...
I 11:46:05 Checking Directory Depth...
I 11:46:05 Calculating Totals...
I 11:46:05 Preparing Image...
W 11:46:09 Unable to find any cells that could be used for the layer break!
I 11:46:09 Checking Path Length...
I 11:46:09 Image Size: 6,236,602,368 bytes
I 11:46:09 Image Sectors: 3,045,216
I 11:46:09 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:03
I 11:46:09 Operation Started!
I 11:46:09 Image Contents: 10 Files, 2 Folders
I 11:46:09 Image Sectors: 3,045,216
I 11:46:09 Image Size: 6,236,602,368 bytes
I 11:46:09 Image Layer Break Position: 1,522,608
I 11:46:09 Image Single Layer Profile: DVD-R/RW (Media Capacity: 2,298,496)
I 11:46:09 Image Double Layer Profile: DVD+R DL (Min L0: 0, Max L0: 2,086,912, Media Capacity: 4,173,824)
I 11:46:09 Image Volume Identifier: DVD
I 11:46:09 Image Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.3.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!
I 11:46:09 Image Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 11:46:09 Image File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 11:46:09 Destination File: C:\Films\Papurika\Temp\dvd.iso
I 11:46:09 Destination Free Space: 122,272,456,704 bytes (119,406,696 KB) (116,608 MB) (113 GB)
I 11:46:09 Destination File System: NTFS
I 11:46:09 File Splitting: Auto
I 11:46:09 Writing Image...
I 11:53:21 Image MD5: 103513354ff0e52854e436f19a2ff97c
I 11:53:22 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:07:12
I 11:53:22 Average Write Rate: 14,098 KB/s (10.2x) - Maximum Write Rate: 24,281 KB/s (17.5x)
I 11:53:23 Close Request Acknowledged
I 11:53:23 Closing Down...
I 11:53:23 Shutting down SPTI...
I 11:53:23 ImgBurn closed!

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Old 20 Jun 2007, 09:25 PM   #6
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forget imgburn for now, get flick to work right first

what's the bitrate on one of the output vob's

looks like we will have to adjust some stuff
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Yes. In DVD Flick check Project Settings/Video/Target Bitrate and make sure it is Auto Fit.
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The video bitrate is 5971 Kbps and I do have it set on Auto-fit.
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the auto settings are probably what's messing up the size with that high a bitrate in dvd flick

I would either go for custom size of 3000 or set the bitrate to 4000 and see if dvd flick gets close
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At 5971kbps video rate a 90 min video will result in around 3.8GB size. So,there is still plenty of space for the audio part. Strange that Flick is messing things up in spite of having calculated the correct bitrate.
BTW how do you know the video bitrate ? Mediainfo? What is the audio bitrate ? Any subtitles?

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Old 23 Jun 2007, 06:42 PM   #11
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Thanks everyone! The iso is now 3GB. I will try to encode it at 5000 kbps.

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There are subtitles, but they're not showing on the vob files.
The audio info of the original (large vob) file is:
Audio #0
Codec : AC3
PlayTime : 1h 30mn
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Bit rate mode : CBR
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
ChannelPositions : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer

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