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Old 14 Sep 2003, 06:18 AM   #1
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Default HD-DVD and it's new encryption system

ok, i have been reading lots of news about the upcoming new DVD standard... HD-DVD, may it be blue ray or normal red ray using mpeg4(Divx) or WMV9 ...

http://dvd.ign.com/mail.html

since a 16 year old(or was he 15?) cracked the current encryption system of our beloved DVD, the movie industry will make sure that HD-DVD will not be playable on the PC and that it wont be cracked...

well, i dont like this idea again of Alienating the PC user.. !!!! it only gives us more reason to crack HD DVD once it is out...hehehe

whats your stand on the future of DVD ? do u think they have the right to say the PC should not be able to playback HDDVD ?

anyway... if u wanna know whats HDDVD, its basically Hi res 1920 x 1080 mpeg2 @ 25mbps on blue ray disc that can carry about 30GB of data...

anyway heres HDTV for LOTR

the HDTV version was shown i think early this year in USA (via HDTV subscription)

anyway to compare these 2 formats..

HDTV 1920x1080 progressive 25mbps
DVD is 720x 480 8mbps

the DVD images are scaled with bicubic interpolation to match the size of the HDTV images.
http://home1.gte.net/res18h39/images...dtv_vs_dvd.htm

The Two Towers


[HDTV] [DVD] Frodo & Sam


[HDTV] [DVD] Aragorn & Arwen


[HDTV] [DVD] Grima & Theoden


[HDTV] [DVD] Orc army ----- CHECK THIS OUT !!!


[HDTV] [DVD] Gollum



u can really see the advantage of 1920x1080 resolution in the Orc army comparison, the detail is simply amazing

yup DVD SUCKS ...hehehe
Suddenly my Extended Edition DVD doesnt seem as spectacular
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Old 19 Sep 2003, 05:44 AM   #2
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I am assuming then that the current DVD burners will eventually become obsolete? That is as far as being able to use the "new and improved" 30gb discs.
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Old 19 Sep 2003, 06:20 AM   #3
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yup, current burners are RED laser that burn on single sided DVD (4.7GB)

HD dvd will use Blue Laser that has a capacity of about 30GB
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Old 19 Sep 2003, 01:46 PM   #4
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HD-DVD will be backwards compatible with DVD, and I suspect HD-DVD burners will be backwards compatible with DVD▒R as well.

The encryption used for HD-DVD will no doubt be more secure than CSS (which is not hard, since pretty much all encryption standards are more secure than CSS). There are plenty of encryptions used for PCs that are un-crackable (at least within a realistic timeframe), and so if HD-DVD does use a more secure encryption algorithm, then there would be no need to make it unplayable on a PC.

Of course, this makes backups and ripping difficult, if not impossible.
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Old 19 Sep 2003, 06:37 PM   #5
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Of course, this makes backups and ripping difficult, if not impossible.
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Old 19 Sep 2003, 07:54 PM   #6
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I have never come across a medium containing data that I wasn┤t able to crack or at least getting information or a tool
that enabled me to do so!!!!!!

well I have not been able to get my hands on a medium or software protected by alcatraz......

since a medium must remain readable because of its main purpose of existance someone undoubtly WILL find a way to extract its data from......
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Just for kicks and giggles, if you haven't previously done so, why don't you decipher this message that I originally posted to "our friend" (It should be fairly easy)?:


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if they make HD-DVD unplayable on a PC i'll never buy a single comercial disc again and i'll make it my lifes goal to crack it and rip off as many discs as I can.

I dont own a TV or a DVD player or any other kinda home electronic device like that. I only have a high powerd PC with a high reselution flatpanel that I use for watching movies and current DVDs. Making HD-DVD incompatable with a PC would require me to go out and spend money on a standalone player whoes macrovision and other new protections will probly give me crap if I hook it to my PC so i'll have to go out and buy a TV to. They can kiss my...
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With the trend going towards HTPC (Home Theatre PCs), I doubt that future media formats will be incompatible with PCs. However, their encryption would be at least 128-bit, while not impossible to crack, but certainly impossible for the average joe to do so. The only reason to make things unplayable on the PC is to make up for a crap copy protection scheme.

The new HDMI format which features DVI+HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection) has a new copy protection system that prevents HD playback if the device you have connected to is not an "authorised" set. Basically, it will be able to detect if the device has been hacked, and prevent full playback if so.
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Default HD-DVD (not blu-ray) cracked, already, less than a month after the US release.

HD-DVD (not blu-ray) cracked, already, less than a month after the US release.
There is a Korean software program floating around out there now, and to keep this forum safe I won't post it's name, but it uses the HD-DVD drives currently available to those who know how to import and have the money to spend to get it
What it does. It is a re-write of the software that comes with one of the PC drives, and it plays the movie, menus, extras, etc at 64X speed coding the stops, gaps, and pauses separately, and records the stream into HDVX (an asian HD DivX format) with bSplayer tags (bSplayer is a popular player in the P2P community, google bSplayer or BS Player). You essentially get a frame for frame copy in HDVX-AVI format. You can then convert that file to any other format with a video conversion program like SuperVideoConverter, Or, record it to a DVD-HDR. The only thing it takes is time. a 1X1 copy retains everything, converting down the scale to other formats and bitrates, you'll lose quality but save monstrous amounts of space. Figure that most of these disks will have about 3 hours or so of footage minimum, so, at 64X fast forward, It's not to bad. We've already won the first step.
To find the program, use a decent universal translator to convert words from English to Korean, and do a google search in Korean for key words about copying HD-DVDs and recoding them.

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Also, the forthcoming Microsoft operating system "Vista" and all its different versions, is just the start or very infant stage, of how Microsoft and the government, and lobby groups are going to control YOUR computer.

There are a number of articles starting to show up on what I call total encryption system packages, with involve the operating system, motherboard, CRT and other electronics components that will very limit your control or use of YOUR computer.

The days of freely using YOUR computer just like you want to are GONE.
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The days of freely using YOUR computer just like you want to are GONE.
solution: linux
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I agree, Linux and AV Capture,
DO NOT upgrade to Vista, all current crack/hack/backup software will not run. I've been testing vista on a stand-alone computer from more than a month now (I'm on the developers network) and DVD Descriptor/DVD Shrink/Any DVD, and some other off brand programs no longer work. even NERO will be blocked by Microsoft as a "hack-tool" I have not found a way around it yet.
The best thing for people who like to live lawfully and support their freedom is to install Linux on an AMD based system, and use Linux tools. If you stick with Microsoft computer hijacking company, stay with XP, don't go to vista, and don't ever buy a computer with vista pre-installed, the preinstalled version will not be able to be modified in any way. This was confirmed by Microsoft in their support forms for the MSDN
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Some additional information

AACS, the copy protection mechanism (or more appropriately named through the eyes of a paying customer: the fair use circumvention mechanism) used on HD DVD and Blu-ray should be finalized by the end of this month. Besides the already well known encryption and the Image Constraint Token (a means to force a lower resolution for analog outputs), we'll get an audio watermark (not to track copies but to prevent playing any audio that doesn't have the watermark), and the Digital Only Token - a means to force digital only output.

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thanks for the warning I'll say with XP, Isn/t linux free?
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