Is Nero Absolutely Useless for Dl's?

FallenAngel · 8 Apr 2006, 10:20 PM

Heres a silly question -- Has anyone successfully recorded a DL through Nero Express (6.6014)/Burning ROM.

ALL my tests have failed

(with either a crash inside the menu or lockup at whatever the layer break is)

My tests have used 4 different types of Dl's all Good medias
And Yes I burn slow etc.

And yes I Know what the problem is Nero seems to ignore existing Layer breaks and does its own thing (even setting the break via IfoEdit or PgcEdit seems to be ignored)

And yes I can successfully burn via ISO on all test medias

Just Curious

FAllenAngel

soup · 8 Apr 2006, 10:26 PM

I stick by this guide only for DL's & I don't use Nero for them.

http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgced...th_pgcedit.htm

FallenAngel · 8 Apr 2006, 10:50 PM

Soup -- Yes I know how to do it -- My Question doesn't ask that.

I'm trying to decide if I want to add TW burn support (via nero SDK) for both sl and dl without ISO (Which is a pain if using any Vob/ifo editing tools)
(Compiliation as files) Nero works fine for sl but on (POS) on dl's
If Nero doesn't cover I won't bother

**blutach** · 8 Apr 2006, 11:18 PM

@FA

You may well know my feelings about Ner0. I have seen some folks say they can burn DLs with it, but many who can't. The problems seems to be that Ner0 (at least in past incarnations) used to 2nd guess the author and put the layer break where it thought was best, packing the sectors together and having scant regard to 32k boundaries.

Seems however, that even Ner0 can burn ISO images without reallocating where it thinks the layer break should be. A properly authored ISO should be burned OK with whatever.

So generating an ISO (via PgcEdit) and burning it with Ner0/ImgBurn/DVD Decrypter should be OK. It's the ISO generation that's the key. Don't let Ner0 do it.

Regards

FallenAngel · 8 Apr 2006, 11:43 PM

Yes Blutach I'm fully aware of ISO,Layer break restrictions.

My question essentially is -- How or Has anyone Been able To Burn A DL reliablely Via Nero Without!! converting files to an ISO in any fashion

My tests say it can't be done -- But I'm willing to listen
(Perhaps I'll "join" your camp regarding Nero and Dl's)

I consider converting files to Iso as a workaround for Ifo/Vob editing programs

(and am Testing/looking for burning software that respects Layer Breaks in the files) so far haven't found any.

FAllenAngel

8 Apr 2006, 10:20 PM	#1
FallenAngel Digital Video Specialist Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 816	Is Nero Absolutely Useless for Dl's? Heres a silly question -- Has anyone successfully recorded a DL through Nero Express (6.6014)/Burning ROM. ALL my tests have failed (with either a crash inside the menu or lockup at whatever the layer break is) My tests have used 4 different types of Dl's all Good medias And Yes I burn slow etc. And yes I Know what the problem is Nero seems to ignore existing Layer breaks and does its own thing (even setting the break via IfoEdit or PgcEdit seems to be ignored) And yes I can successfully burn via ISO on all test medias Just Curious FAllenAngel Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook Reddit!

8 Apr 2006, 10:26 PM	#2
soup Just Trying To Help Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Canada Region 1 Posts: 7,524	I stick by this guide only for DL's & I don't use Nero for them. http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgced...th_pgcedit.htm Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook Reddit! __________________

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FallenAngel Digital Video Specialist Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 816	Soup -- Yes I know how to do it -- My Question doesn't ask that. I'm trying to decide if I want to add TW burn support (via nero SDK) for both sl and dl without ISO (Which is a pain if using any Vob/ifo editing tools) (Compiliation as files) Nero works fine for sl but on (POS) on dl's If Nero doesn't cover I won't bother Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook Reddit! Last edited by FallenAngel; 8 Apr 2006 at 10:53 PM

8 Apr 2006, 11:18 PM	#4
blutach Not a god of digital video Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: is everything! Posts: 24,628	@FA You may well know my feelings about Ner0. I have seen some folks say they can burn DLs with it, but many who can't. The problems seems to be that Ner0 (at least in past incarnations) used to 2nd guess the author and put the layer break where it thought was best, packing the sectors together and having scant regard to 32k boundaries. Seems however, that even Ner0 can burn ISO images without reallocating where it thinks the layer break should be. A properly authored ISO should be burned OK with whatever. So generating an ISO (via PgcEdit) and burning it with Ner0/ImgBurn/DVD Decrypter should be OK. It's the ISO generation that's the key. Don't let Ner0 do it. Regards Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook Reddit! __________________ Les *Essential progs -* [PgcEdit] [VobBlanker] [MenuShrink] [IfoEdit] [Muxman] [DVD Remake Pro] [DVD Rebuilder] [BeSweet] [Media Player Classic] [DVDSubEdit] [ImgBurn] *Media and Burning -* [Golden Rules of Burning] [Media quality] [Fix your DMA] [Update your Firmware] [What's my Media ID Code?] [How to test your disc] [What's bitsetting?] [Burn dual layer disks safely] [Why not to burn with Ner0] [Interpret Ner0's burn errors] [Got bad playback?] [Burner/Media compatibility] *Cool Techniques -* [2COOL's guides] [Clean your DVD] [Join a flipper] [Split into 2 DVDs] [Save heaps of Mb] [How to mock strip] [Cool Insert Clips] *Real useful info -* [FAQ INDEX] [Compression explained] [Logical Remapping of Enabled Streams] [DVD-Replica] [Fantastic info on DVDs] You should only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media. Many thanks to www.pcx.com.au for their supply and great service. Explore the sites and the programs - there's a gold mine of information in them *Don't forget to play the Digital Digest Quiz!!! (Click here)*

8 Apr 2006, 11:43 PM	#5
FallenAngel Digital Video Specialist Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 816	Yes Blutach I'm fully aware of ISO,Layer break restrictions. My question essentially is -- How or Has anyone Been able To Burn A DL reliablely Via Nero Without!! converting files to an ISO in any fashion My tests say it can't be done -- But I'm willing to listen (Perhaps I'll "join" your camp regarding Nero and Dl's) I consider converting files to Iso as a workaround for Ifo/Vob editing programs (and am Testing/looking for burning software that respects Layer Breaks in the files) so far haven't found any. FAllenAngel Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Facebook Reddit!

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