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Old 18 Mar 2006, 10:37 AM   #1
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Default Another quality comparison using SPIDERMAN

i have compared the following transcoder/encoder against each other:

DVD2one v 2.04
CCE 2.70
CloneDVD2.5x
CloneDVD2.8x
HC 017
ProCoder2
Recode2
DVDShrink32015

cce, hc and procoder were used via dvdrebuilder PRO 1.081
cce was used with 3 passes
hc with profile BEST
procoder2 with mastering quality
shrink was used with max smoothness + aec
clonedvd, dvd2one and recode with the best settings i could find available


spiderman was converted with all languages and all bonus/extra material
the avertage bitrate was ~2.200kbps


Click here to see the screenshots

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Old 18 Mar 2006, 11:02 AM   #2
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im colorblind for some colours,and i took a look only at first pic...and only ones i was interested in(shrink/procoder/hc) and i think procoder did the best job...
waiting for someone with better eyes to take a look at all of them...
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Old 18 Mar 2006, 11:09 AM   #3
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Old 18 Mar 2006, 11:41 AM   #4
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wow! great work. thanks a lot Uncass.
just a few comments. as spected, encoders are king, procoder best(wow), HC and CCE more or less the same. from what i can see, among the transcoders, shrink and recode2 have the same quality. the others are not so good.

p:s: the slowest transcoders(shrink and recode2 are slower than the rest, specially with AEC and deep A.) produce better quality.
encoders are much slower than transcoders and the produce the best quality. so. more time= better quality.
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Old 18 Mar 2006, 11:44 AM   #5
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for transcoder that has not and will not be updated again, shrink is GREAT.

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once again outstanding work Uncas, you are indeed a patient soul.

for an overall vote I've have to go with pro2

the only thing I could think of better would be side by side real time frame set's

kudo's glad someone does the leg work instead of stating, "the best is..." =)
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im colorblind for some colours,and i took a look only at first pic...and only ones i was interested in(shrink/procoder/hc) and i think procoder did the best job...
waiting for someone with better eyes to take a look at all of them...
I am colour blind as well (red and green). Procoder also looks the best to me. Shrink and Recode look almost identical and no clear winner out of those two. The worse was DVD2One which didn't surprise me at all.

There was also little to choose from between HC and CCE. It has reinforced what I use. I use Shrink a lot but use DVD-RB on 50%-60% reduction DVD's. I then use Procoder if I want to get the best results and use HCEnc instead of CCE as it produces similar results and is free.
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that's a really good comparison
thanx UncasMS
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Old 19 Mar 2006, 03:42 AM   #9
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I'm thinking about going to ebay and pick up procoder 2.0 it does a great job but anyway back to the topic UncasMS thanks for taking the time to do this your hard work is appreciated
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Procoder2 is a bit pricey what's your opinion on Procoder Express would it be with worth the $60 I can get it for
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i am not too sure wether the express version will be doing a good job or not

and more importantly i doubt it will work correctly with rb but again: i am not sure - i never tried
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Thanks UncasMS
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Wow. Procoder looks terrific in those comparisons.

And I really like the layout of the tests Uncas. Really helps with comparing the shots.
Thanx a huge bunch !
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thanks

i decided to create a separate page as i did not want extremely long loading times once again each and every time one opens this thread
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ok to admit that procoder looks better than others
but it alters the picture a lot! trading details for a better looking whole picture. am i wrong?

also the colors seem a bit saturated/darkened compared with original and others competitors.

this reminds me xvid vs divx contests where xvid won for details kept at the cost of a little blokier picture, whereas divx showed a cleaner picture but less detailed and blurry.

sure procoder looks greater on still images, but i prefer keeping noise and details, and the conformity of colors.

i'll pick HC for the quality/free aspect.

a question though: was HC used in OPV mode? and is there a big trade-off using OPV or not?
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and is there a big trade-off using OPV or not?
I can only answer this part since I tried using OPV and trust me, OPV does not give you good sharp pictures, nowhere near the 2 pass, unless you have got a high bitrate available.
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