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Old 20 Aug 2006, 09:34 AM   #1
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I recently graduated from DVD Shrink to DVD-RB for my backups. The first movie, Inside Man, looks great. But I have an issue with The Forgotten and Brothers Grimm. They both work great in my PC, but not in my home theater. I have a Kenwood 5 disk player and a 65" HDTV. These latest backups with RB/HCenc have the correct aspect ratio on my PC, but they "zoom" in the home system. They appear to go from the original 2.21:1 to 16:9 which fills the screen nicely, but the zoomed in aspect ruins it for me.

My DVD Shrink backups maintain their ratio on my home theater, and the only change I've made is using DVD-RB with HCenc for these latest backups. Does anyone have any ideas?
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Have you go the pan and scan bit set on the video attributes (or are you P&S on the remote)?

Any preprocessing?

AFAIK, DVD Rebuilder does nothing to the video atts unless you are doing a 4:3 to 16:9 ana conversion.

Can you please post your INI file and log files?

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Old 20 Aug 2006, 10:52 AM   #3
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No P&S on player or TV.

Yes, I preprocessed with MenuShrink, PGCEdit, and VOBblanker on the latest two (but not Inside Man, which works okay). The preprocessed movies are okay on the PC.

DVD-RB .ini file:

[Options]
TargetSectors= 2175000
Mode=5
OneClick=0
ReduceOpt=4
NoWarn=1
AdditionalOutput=1
LogFile=1
QuEncHQ=1
EncoderMinimized=1
RemoveDTS=1
HC_Quality=3
HC_Matrix=1
SkinVersion=12
Skin=Rebuilder Default
AudioDub=1
QuEncodeType=0
iDCT=0
GOP=0
DCPrec=0
MainMatrix=Encoder Default
LowMatrix=Same as Main Feature
VLowMatrix=Same as Main Feature
ExtraMatrix=Same as Main Feature
ProCoder_Quality=4
DVD_Label=NEW FOLDER (3)
DVD_Name=NEW FOLDER (3).ISO
MovieOnly=0
HalfD1=00
Convert_16_9=00
DisableInterlace=00
ConvertToYUY2=1
ISO_Output=0
HalfD1Extras=0
HalfExtras=1
Completed=17
TargetSizeMode=0
HC_OPV=0
HC_VBR_Bias=20
AVSFilter01=
ForceEncode=1
Encode_Processes=1
NewEditor=1
[Paths]
QuEnc=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\QuEnc\QuEnc.exe
ReJig=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\ReJig\ReJig.exe
HC=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\HC Encoder\HCbatch.EXE
ProCoder=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\EclPro\EclPro.exe
DECOMB=C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Decomb521.dll
MPEG2DEC=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\DGDecode.dll
Working=C:\
Output=E:\NEW FOLDER (4)\
Source=E:\NEW FOLDER (3)\VIDEO_TS\
[Audio]
Selected=1
Remapping=
[Subpictures]
Selected=1
[Setup]
sLanguages=111111111111111111111111011111111111111 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
Languages=1111111111111111111111110111111111111111 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111


Log File:

Inside Man:

-----------------
[19:38:28] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- HC encoder selected
- "Half-D1/Half Space for Extras" mode is enabled.
- "Steal Space from Extras" mode (50%) is enabled.
- VTS_01: 3,213,414 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 185,330 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_02: 36,253 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 3,871 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 366,186 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 29,849 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 74,997 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 5,987 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 367,126 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 33,265 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 56.8%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,475/2,780Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,656,086KB
- Movie improvement from extra reduction = 24.8%
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 3,916/400/2,780 Kbs
[19:46:38] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 8 minutes.
[20:00:01] Phase II ENCODING started
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 2
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 3
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 4
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 5
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- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 20
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 21
- Extracting STILLS for VTS_01 segment 22
- Extracting STILLS for VTS_01 segment 23
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 0
- Extracting STILLS for VTS_02 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 2
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 3
- Extracting STILLS for VTS_03 segment 4
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 0
- Extracting STILLS for VTS_04 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_05 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_05 segment 1
- Extracting STILLS for VTS_05 segment 2
[00:27:21] Phase II ENCODING completed in 267 minutes.
[00:27:51] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_01
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Rebuilding seg 2 VOBID 2 CELLID 1
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- Rebuilding seg 22 VOBID 2 CELLID 21
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_02
- Rebuilding seg 23 VOBID 3 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_03
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_01_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Processing VTS_02
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 2 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_02
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_02_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Processing VTS_03
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 2 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_02
- Rebuilding seg 2 VOBID 3 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_03
- Rebuilding seg 3 VOBID 4 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_04
- Rebuilding seg 4 VOBID 5 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_05
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_03_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Processing VTS_04
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 2 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_02
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_04_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Processing VTS_05
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 2 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_02
- Rebuilding seg 2 VOBID 3 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_03
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_05_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Correcting VTS Sectors...
[00:57:12] Phase III, REBUILD completed in 30 minutes.

Done.


The Forgotten:

-----------------
[13:42:21] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- HC encoder selected
- "Half-D1/Half Space for Extras" mode is enabled.
- "Steal Space from Extras" mode (50%) is enabled.
- VTS_02: 205,977 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 23,030 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 2,412,674 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 149,327 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 364,105 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 35,912 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 250,661 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 25,710 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 72.5%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,928/3,142Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,743,332KB
- Movie improvement from extra reduction = 32.5%
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 5,675/400/3,142 Kbs
[13:48:51] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 6 minutes.
[13:51:25] Phase II ENCODING started
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 2
- Creating M2V for VTS_02 segment 3
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 1
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- Creating M2V for VTS_03 segment 36
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_05 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_05 segment 1
[18:27:36] Phase II ENCODING completed in 276 minutes.
[18:33:09] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_02
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 1 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 2 VOBID 1 CELLID 3
- Rebuilding seg 3 VOBID 1 CELLID 4
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_02_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Processing VTS_03
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 1 CELLID 2
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- Rebuilding seg 35 VOBID 1 CELLID 36
- Rebuilding seg 36 VOBID 1 CELLID 37
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_03_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Processing VTS_04
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 1 CELLID 2
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_04_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Processing VTS_05
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 1 CELLID 2
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_05_0.IFO
- Updating TMAP table...
- Correcting VTS Sectors...
[18:53:28] Phase III, REBUILD completed in 20 minutes.

Done.
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Old 20 Aug 2006, 11:00 AM   #4
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Try again without preprocessing. If you're going to use MenuShrink, untick enable menu encoding (not that it matters, IIRC it doesn't kick in till 50Mb).

I do plenty of preprocessing with those tools too, but just to eliminate them as a source of the problem, do a run without them. You can blank any segment you like in DVD Rebuilder.

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Upon further investigation, I guess the problem is my DVD player. Although there is no pan&scan setting, the player definitely "zooms" in on the picture. I put the original movies in the player and the backup in my PC and compared. I never noticed before, but the picture from the player is cropped somewhat on the sides... even on original disks. The picture on my PC is the full width.

So, my backups are fine. Its my stand alone DVD player that sucks... or I should say, it sucks even more than I realized.
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Read the manual - there is surely a way to make it play the DVD as intended.

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Read the manual - there is surely a way to make it play the DVD as intended.

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I decided to change settings, and found the problem...

I have a widescreen TV, so naturally, you set the DVD player aspect ratio to 16:9 Widescreen, like the manual says... right? Wrong. Not if you want to see the movie in the original aspect ratio. The Widescreen option stretches the picture top to bottom, and until I started comparing, I ever noticed.

By selecting the 4:3 Letterbox option, the entire frame of the movie is shown, with the black bars on top and bottom. That's my preference. I don't want the picture cropped or stretched. The picture is smaller, but at least it's not distorted.
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TastyNutz,

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By selecting the 4:3 Letterbox option, the entire frame of the movie is shown, with the black bars on top and bottom. That's my preference. I don't want the picture cropped or stretched. The picture is smaller, but at least it's not distorted


If you want to remove those "black bars on top and bottom" use TMPGEnc Plus, before you encode and the picture will not be distorted.

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If you want to remove those "black bars on top and bottom" use TMPGEnc Plus, before you encode and the picture will not be distorted.

I don't want the picture cropped or "zoomed in" either. I want the entire movie, as intended. Unless you have a different sized screen for each movie, you're gonna get the letterbox black bars.
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Strange setting. I would also have thought just matching the settings between player and TV would be sufficient.

Whatever works, I guess.

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It's probably the player. It really bugs me when a player forces you to change something on the television every time it changes from 16:9 to 4:3. I took a very expensive high-end player back to the dealer once and exchanged it for a low-end JVC for that very reason.
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