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  • LoonyGoon
    Junior Member
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2002
    • 2

    Ultimate Quality

    Hi, I was wondering what kind of soft could guys like Dominion or Vite use: I'm used to DVD to Divx converting; but even when using divx 4.12 2 passes , I always stay much under their movie quality. You could take for exemple the dominion rip of SWORFISH: this rip RULEZ, I don't know how they do that.........
  • MovieRipper
    Junior Member
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2002
    • 17

    #2
    I 've also been brainstorming for a couple of weeks on how to get Dominion and Vite quality rips and still didn't manage. Found somthing out tho. There movies are usually a little bit darker then other rips and the colors are stronger too. Maybe we should play around with some filters. What you think?

    Movieripper

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    • Enchanter
      Old member
      • Feb 2002
      • 5417

      #3
      Anyone can post the properties of their rip here? Many posts back, I asked for details of their Shrek rip (Movie length, movie resolution, audio quality, codec used, etc.) and noone has bothered to reply.

      I have not the bandwith to download large movies and hence have none of their rips to look at and compare with my own. It would be a good thing to, at least, know some obvious properties of their rips. I can make something out of it. Thankfully, my 1CD rip of Star Wars Episode I came out near perfect.

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      • MovieRipper
        Junior Member
        Junior Member
        • Mar 2002
        • 17

        #4
        Shrek (Vite)

        Size: 701 MB (735.295.488 bytes)
        Medialength: 87 min 59,70 sec.
        Sound: MPEG Layer 3, 127 KB/s, 48,000 Hz, Stereo
        Video: 512 x 384, 24 bits, 126571 frames, 23976 frames/sec, 136
        KB/sec, DIVXMPG4 V3

        Hope this will do

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        • Enchanter
          Old member
          • Feb 2002
          • 5417

          #5
          Judging by the given settings and my own experiences, I don't see why you can't get any good quality.

          The movie length is approximately 88 minutes. To fit this onto a 700MB media, you can use a bitrate of around 950 (Check your calculator). With this bitrate, using a resolution of 512 x 384 with a 128kbps MP3 track, you should get, in fact, a sharp and detailed DivX movie. You can actually use a resolution of 640x480 and still stand little chance of getting macroblocks.

          Lastly, the codec used was 3.11a and it's 99.99% guaranteed that nandub was used (Anyone knows any other 3.11 VBR encoder out there?). Anyone who is familiar with nandub shouldn't get any problems with this.

          p.s. There does not seem to be any need to lose your sleep or sanity over this simple matter.
          Last edited by Enchanter; 27 Mar 2002, 04:54 PM.

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          • Enchanter
            Old member
            • Feb 2002
            • 5417

            #6
            the colors are stronger too
            Just want to add this in. 3.11a videos are indeed stronger in colour than 4.x videos. At least, it is the way with me and a few of my fellow encoder friends.

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            • setarip
              Retired
              • Dec 2001
              • 24955

              #7
              To Enchanter

              Forgive my eavesdropping on this dialog, but you've piqued my curiosity with your statement/question:

              "Anyone knows any other 3.11 VBR encoder out there?"

              In light of the fact that "MovieRipper" did not post the indicated number of Audio frames (which, for VBR, would typically be approaching twice that of the video frames), what has led you to conclude that it's VBR rather than CBR audio?

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              • Enchanter
                Old member
                • Feb 2002
                • 5417

                #8
                I was referring to VBR video rate actually. Most movies encoded with this codec have a VBR video rate nowadays. For the audio, as long as it is 128kbps or above, CBR or VBR, it is fine with me.

                p.s. My point in the earlier question was if there is anything besides nandub that can encode videos using the 3.11a codec and in 2-passes.

                Cheers!

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                • MovieRipper
                  Junior Member
                  Junior Member
                  • Mar 2002
                  • 17

                  #9
                  Atlantis The lost empire (Dominion)

                  Medialength: 95 min, 45,995 sec.
                  Sound: MPEG LAYER 3, 156 KB/s, 48.000 Hz. Stereo
                  Video: 640 x 272, 24 bits, 137766 frames, 23.976 frames/sec., 124 KB/sec, DIVXMPG4 V3

                  Believe me. This one looks really great I also look at the quality of the movie, then number of disk, then the plot etc. How do you feel about cutting up movies. You always stick to single CD-rips or is quality worthy of cutting up a movie. I think the last one is at place but if you have a really good movie like Gladiator, it's a bit of a dillema. If you make a single CD-rip, you'll get a really bad one. But that movie's just too good to cut it up. Having said this, You can safely say that soetimes you can't ignore the story, plot, (whatever) of the movie. So with Gladiator I ended up with a 1.2 GB movie sitting on my hard drive witch I've lost in a computercrash. Life's hard is it!!!!

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                  • MovieRipper
                    Junior Member
                    Junior Member
                    • Mar 2002
                    • 17

                    #10
                    Shrek is indeed encoded with Nandub (at least that's what the propperties tell me) and the video and audio are VBR.

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                    • Enchanter
                      Old member
                      • Feb 2002
                      • 5417

                      #11
                      This one's not too hard to encode either. You can use a bitrate of 870. In addition, the total number of pixels in this Dominion rip is smaller than the Shrek (Vite), ie. [(512x384) - (640x272) > 0], which means that each frame gets more bit than you'd initially be inclined to believe.

                      I have always preferred the convenience of having my movie on a single CD and hence my efforts at getting max quality in as little space as possible (ie. 700MB). The quality is nowhere near bad and still better than VCDs too. There is no doubting that 2CD rips are better-looking, but hey! it is more challenging to work with 1CD rips and more rewarding to the heart too.

                      p.s. My admirations still go to the anime fansubbers. Their work is entirely legal (The ones in ETG definitely are) and there is more to the work than just a simple DVD ripping and conversion to DivX (Translation, timing, etc.).
                      Last edited by Enchanter; 27 Mar 2002, 05:21 PM.

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                      • MovieRipper
                        Junior Member
                        Junior Member
                        • Mar 2002
                        • 17

                        #12
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                        I have always preferred the convenience of having my movie on a single CD and hence my efforts at getting max quality in as little space as possible (ie. 700MB). The quality is nowhere near bad and still better than VCDs too. There is no doubting that 2CD rips are better-looking, but hey! it is more challenging to work with 1CD rips and more rewarding to the heart too.


                        I hear ya man. But where's the limit on putting everything on one CD. You should try this with a 3 hour movie. This is more of a hard thing to do putting that on a single disk. Then I think you're better off wit 2. You also state somthing about near VCD quality. Isn't the object of a good rip to come near DVD quality. By the way, VCDs are also 2 disk (accept for XVCD). Just something I thought of. Don't mean anything by it. Love to see some of your work by the way.

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                        • Enchanter
                          Old member
                          • Feb 2002
                          • 5417

                          #13
                          3 hours movie would be enough to make me consider 2CDs. I don't think I will tolerate using any bitrate lower than 500.

                          I said VCDs, because I don't intend to be boastful by saying DVD instead. However, you must realise that when you compress a video with a lossy compressor, such as DivX, there will be a loss of details and hence you cannot possibly attain DVD quality with DivX unless you make the file as big as the whole collection of vob files themselves. Okay, I know 2CD rips can get close to it anyway. In addition, you can't possibly think one single CD can contain as much detail as a DVD, can you?

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                          • andreaskorth
                            Junior Member
                            Junior Member
                            • Mar 2002
                            • 23

                            #14
                            However, you must realise that when you compress a video with a lossy compressor, such as DivX, there will be a loss of details and hence you cannot possibly attain DVD quality with DivX unless you make the file as big as the whole collection of vob files themselves. [/B]
                            Disagree. DivX is superior to MPEG-2, thus you'll never come even close to the size of the VOB files even if you don't limit the bitrate. Besides, the VOB files usually contain additional audio tracks and subtitles which are not included in your final movie.

                            Example: I just ripped Se7en and encoded it with DivX 5. The VOB files size on the DVD was 7 GB. I encoded it in full resolution and moved the bitrate slider up to 10000 kbps (it's ridicolous, I know). The resulting DivX movie including two 80 MB VBR audio tracks is 1.3 GB. DivX simply doesn't require more than 1365 kbps to match MPEG 2 quality.

                            Could somebody kindly provide me with one of those Dominion or Vite Rips (Episode I or Shrek preferably)? I've never seen one of them and since they're praised so much, I'm eager to take a look.

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                            • MovieRipper
                              Junior Member
                              Junior Member
                              • Mar 2002
                              • 17

                              #15
                              I remember in the good old days (been interested in video and audio compression since 1992 - Still got my old CD-I player and VCD player) I read an article on a big Dutch VCD encoder company that encoded the movie scene by scene to obtain the best quality. I know what you're gonna say: "this guy is nuts!". But what if we we're to do this with the DIVX's bitrate instead. I know you can define scene changing but I don't think this is entirally accurate. Same thing for motion control. You can set this too but it's gonna use the same deffenition during the whole movie and encoding process. For some people this might be a drag but if you're really a quality freack, it's probbably worth the bother. I'm intended to try this. I know it's gonna take me a long time but Rome hasn't been build overnight too.

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