issue with fuji 8x DVD+R media? NEC 1100A (dell)

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  • Dr Klovernutz
    Super Member
    Super Member
    • Jul 2005
    • 202

    issue with fuji 8x DVD+R media? NEC 1100A (dell)

    I have previously posted this in Shrink by accident it may be more beneficial here: sorry

    I decided to start a new post on this topic because of the drastic (i think) changes to the original problem.

    I have a NEC ND-1100A 4X DVD+R /2.4X DVD+RW (dell system)

    As of yesterday I was using Fuji DVD+R 4x media and using DVD decrypter and DVD shrink and successfully burned 5 DVDs (and in the past several DVD data discs)

    Today:

    I ran out of Fuji DVD+R 4x media so i grabbed Fuji DVD+R 8x media (all they had, and i figure they no longer make 4x media; similar to the evolution of CD-R media....)
    Now the problems; Software-wise I changed NOTHING; I burned 3 more DVDs (new media) and all 3 burned (but computer would only allow 2.4X burn; i couldn't choose 1x, 2x, 4x) and the computer claimed to burn successfully, but the back-ups would Randomly play in my stand-alone unit, and when they did there were random glitches......)

    this is when i posted before, the common solution seemed to update firmware.

    I went to Dell and updated firmware to 10GE

    At this point i went to use DVD shrink to burn a DVD and discovered that it would only allow 2.4X speed!!

    I went to check burn speeds and the computer (regardless of what burning program i chose) would ONLY allow 2.4X speed.

    I then searched the internet and these (and similar) forums to see if there is any compatibility issues here or what......

    Finally i installed DVD identifier and here is what i got:


    [01:33:17] DVD+R/+RW Medium Detected. Starting Identification...
    [01:33:17] ** Initiating ADIP Retrieval Method 1 (Original ADIP)
    [01:33:17] ERROR : ADIP Read M1 Failed : Illegal request - Invalid field in CDB [05/24/00]
    [01:33:17] INFO : ADIP Read Method 1 Not Supported ; Method 2 Will Be Attempted
    [01:33:17] ** Initiating ADIP Retrieval Method 2 (Copy Of ADIP)
    [01:33:17] ERROR : ADIP Read M2 Failed : Illegal request - Invalid field in CDB [05/24/00]
    [01:33:17] INFO : ADIP Read Method 2 Requires A Written DVD+R/+RW Disc
    [01:33:17] Disc Identification Did Not Complete Successfully



    SO.... at this point i am wondering:

    1. Is my drive broken?
    2. Is this a compatibility issue with this media and this drive?
    3. Is the media crap (DVD identifier says so....)
    4. anyone with a NEC 1100A (dell preferebly) have any suggestions on what media i should stick with?
    5. Has anyone else used this media (fuji 8x DVD+R) and what did you experience?

    and any other info anyone has in this topic would be greatly appreciated...


    -Dr K
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  • jmet
    Super Moderator
    • Nov 2002
    • 9432

    #2
    My theory would be the media is crap. Get some Verbatim DataLife brand or Taiyo Yuden brand.

    Taiyo Yuden - http://meritline.com/taiyo-yuden-dvd-media.html

    Verbatim DataLife - http://meritline.com/verbatim-8x-dvd...printable.html

    Edit: I deleted your other thread and moved this one to the appropriate forum. Duplicate posting is a violation of the forum rules here.

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    • Dr Klovernutz
      Super Member
      Super Member
      • Jul 2005
      • 202

      #3
      jmet,
      I just did a DVD identify on DVD decrypter (i selected the ISO Write mode to get the window to open)

      Here is what i got using an already burned Fuji DVD+R 4X max disc
      _NEC DVD+RW ND-1100A 10GE (ATA)
      Current Profile: DVD+R

      Disc Information:
      Status: Complete
      Erasable: No
      Sessions: 1
      Sectors: 2,286,112
      Size: 4,681,957,376 bytes
      Time: 508:03:37 (MM:SS:FF)
      Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x, 4x

      Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
      Disc ID: RICOHJPN-R01-02
      Book Type: DVD-ROM
      Part Version: 1
      Disc Size: 120mm
      Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
      Number of Layers: 1
      Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
      Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
      Track Density: 0.74 um/track
      First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
      Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,482,719
      Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0


      Here is what i get when i put in a burned Fuji DVD+R 8x max disc

      _NEC DVD+RW ND-1100A 10GE (ATA)
      Current Profile: DVD+R

      Disc Information:
      Status: Complete
      Erasable: No
      Sessions: 1
      Sectors: 2,286,128
      Size: 4,681,990,144 bytes
      Time: 508:03:53 (MM:SS:FF)
      Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x

      Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
      Disc ID: YUDEN000-T02-00
      Book Type: DVD-ROM
      Part Version: 1
      Disc Size: 120mm
      Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
      Number of Layers: 1
      Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
      Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
      Track Density: 0.74 um/track
      First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
      Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,482,735
      Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0


      And when i put in a blank Fuji DVD+R 8x max disc

      _NEC DVD+RW ND-1100A 10GE (ATA)
      Current Profile: DVD+R

      Disc Information:
      Status: Empty
      Erasable: No
      Free Sectors: 2,295,104
      Free Space: 4,700,372,992 bytes
      Free Time: 510:03:29 (MM:SS:FF)
      Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x


      I don't know what this means (i wish i had a blank Fiji DVD+R 4x max disc to compare...errrrr!!!)

      does this help anyone clue me in on what the he!! is going on?

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      • jmet
        Super Moderator
        • Nov 2002
        • 9432

        #4
        "Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x, 4x"
        This quote was taken from a previously burned "Fuji DVD+R 4x media ".

        "Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x"
        This quote was taken from a blank "Fuji DVD+R 8x " that you just recently purchased.

        I would take these back and get your money back. "2.4X" is the only speed it burns at. These are what they call "fake" disc.

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        • Dr Klovernutz
          Super Member
          Super Member
          • Jul 2005
          • 202

          #5
          I would if i could

          1 is in the trash
          2 are written on
          reciept is in the trash

          luckliy it was only a 15 spindle for like $11


          here are the outputs from DVD identifier (i would have included screen shots but i don't know how...


          Fuji DVD+R 8x media (BLANK)


          ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:YUDEN000-T02-000]
          ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Disc & Book Type : [Not Avaliable] - [Not Avaliable]
          Manufacturer Name : [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd.]
          Manufacturer ID : [Not Avaliable]
          Media Type ID : [Not Avaliable]
          Product Revision : [Not Avaliable]
          Blank Disc Capacity : [Decimal GB (1000) Followed By Binary GiB (1024)]
          Recording Speeds : [Disc Speeds Are Regardless Of Drive Capabilities]

          ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
          [ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
          ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

          [03:21:18] DVD Identifier V4.0.1
          [03:21:18] Initializing ASPI/SPTI Drive Interface
          [03:21:18] SPTI Drive Interface Successfully Initialized
          [03:21:18] 1 Supported Drive Found (Out Of 2 Available Drives)
          [03:21:18] Manufacturer Database [10-APR-05@532$80] Loaded From File : (@532$80) Entries Found
          [03:21:19] Internet Version Check Has Been Disabled By The User
          [03:21:23] DVD+R/+RW Medium Detected. Starting Identification...
          [03:21:23] ** Initiating ADIP Retrieval Method 1 (Original ADIP)
          [03:21:23] ERROR : ADIP Read M1 Failed : Illegal request - Invalid field in CDB [05/24/00]
          [03:21:23] INFO : ADIP Read Method 1 Not Supported ; Method 2 Will Be Attempted
          [03:21:23] ** Initiating ADIP Retrieval Method 2 (Copy Of ADIP)
          [03:21:23] ERROR : ADIP Read M2 Failed : Illegal request - Invalid field in CDB [05/24/00]
          [03:21:23] INFO : ADIP Read Method 2 Requires A Written DVD+R/+RW Disc
          [03:21:23] Disc Identification Did Not Complete Successfully




          Fuji DVD+R 8x media (Burned)

          ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:YUDEN000-T02-000]
          ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD-ROM]
          Manufacturer Name : [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd.]
          Manufacturer ID : [YUDEN000]
          Media Type ID : [T02]
          Product Revision : [Not Specified]
          Blank Disc Capacity : [Not Supported By Method 2]
          Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]
          [Method 2 Might Not Always Detect All Speeds]
          ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
          [ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
          ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

          [03:19:40] DVD Identifier V4.0.1
          [03:19:40] Initializing ASPI/SPTI Drive Interface
          [03:19:40] SPTI Drive Interface Successfully Initialized
          [03:19:41] 1 Supported Drive Found (Out Of 2 Available Drives)
          [03:19:41] Manufacturer Database [10-APR-05@532$80] Loaded From File : (@532$80) Entries Found
          [03:19:41] Internet Version Check Has Been Disabled By The User
          [03:19:48] DVD+R/+RW Medium Detected. Starting Identification...
          [03:19:48] ** Initiating ADIP Retrieval Method 1 (Original ADIP)
          [03:19:48] ERROR : ADIP Read M1 Failed : Illegal request - Invalid field in CDB [05/24/00]
          [03:19:48] INFO : ADIP Read Method 1 Not Supported ; Method 2 Will Be Attempted
          [03:19:48] ** Initiating ADIP Retrieval Method 2 (Copy Of ADIP)
          [03:19:48] ADIP Read Method 2 Completed Without Errors
          [03:19:48] Disc Identification Completed Successfully
          [03:19:50] DVD+R/+RW Medium Information Copied To Clipboard



          Fuji DVD+R 4x media (Burned)


          ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:RICOHJPN-R01-002]
          ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD-ROM]
          Manufacturer Name : [Ricoh Co. Ltd.]
          Manufacturer ID : [RICOHJPN]
          Media Type ID : [R01]
          Product Revision : [002]
          Blank Disc Capacity : [Not Supported By Method 2]
          Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x]
          [Method 2 Might Not Always Detect All Speeds]
          ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
          [ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
          ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

          [03:25:46] DVD Identifier V4.0.1
          [03:25:46] Initializing ASPI/SPTI Drive Interface
          [03:25:46] SPTI Drive Interface Successfully Initialized
          [03:25:46] 1 Supported Drive Found (Out Of 2 Available Drives)
          [03:25:46] Manufacturer Database [10-APR-05@532$80] Loaded From File : (@532$80) Entries Found
          [03:25:46] Internet Version Check Has Been Disabled By The User
          [03:25:48] DVD+R/+RW Medium Detected. Starting Identification...
          [03:25:48] ** Initiating ADIP Retrieval Method 1 (Original ADIP)
          [03:25:48] ERROR : ADIP Read M1 Failed : Illegal request - Invalid field in CDB [05/24/00]
          [03:25:48] INFO : ADIP Read Method 1 Not Supported ; Method 2 Will Be Attempted
          [03:25:48] ** Initiating ADIP Retrieval Method 2 (Copy Of ADIP)
          [03:25:48] ADIP Read Method 2 Completed Without Errors
          [03:25:48] Disc Identification Completed Successfully
          [03:25:50] DVD+R/+RW Medium Information Copied To Clipboard




          It appears that the crappy DVD+R are actually Yudens....???? and the good Fuji are Ricoh?

          So i guess I should stay away from TYs, (i noticed before you recommended them) I guess I'll see what's at the store tommorrow, should i stay away from 8x since my burner is only a 4x max (but how much longer are they gonna make 4x dvd+r for.... I'm gonna have to switch to a higher media sooner or later)

          Make me mad I always used fuji media (for like the last 5 years CDr and DVDr) now i gotta find a new media to trust and from what i have been reading this DVDr thing is like the whole CDr media controversy back when CDr was new ....... but more complicated with firmware updates and media sometimes working and sometimes not (out of the same spindle in some cases!!)

          well look this over (dvd identifier thing) and let me know what u think is happening (i'm leaning towards this being a media problem)

          -Dr K

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          • sfheath
            Lord of Digital Video
            Lord of Digital Video
            • Sep 2003
            • 2419

            #6
            I've not read your other threads and am not sure how to interpret your drive identity line but have you checked for firmware updates? There's a v1.A3 mentioned on NEC's site.
            This isn't a learning curve ... this is b****y mountaineering!

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            • Dr Klovernutz
              Super Member
              Super Member
              • Jul 2005
              • 202

              #7
              actually since mine is a OEM from dell i DID update the firmware but with 10GE

              thanks

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              • jmet
                Super Moderator
                • Nov 2002
                • 9432

                #8
                Dr Klovernutz is correct sfheath. 10GE is the latest firmware for the OEM Dell version. - -NEC ND-1100A - 1.90, 1.91, 1.93 / 1.A0, 1.A1 , 1.A3 / 1.75, 1.76, 1.78 (only for OEM IODATA drives) / 108B, 10FD, 10GE (only for DELL OEM drives) - http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=301
                Last edited by jmet; 8 Jul 2005, 06:29 PM. Reason: Forgot URL

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                • setarip
                  Retired
                  • Dec 2001
                  • 25141

                  #9
                  "should i stay away from 8x since my burner is only a 4x max"

                  Probably - If you read the warning that typically appears on the packaging of "1X-8X" media. It states that using this media in burners limited to 2.4X-4X could damage both the disc and the burner...

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