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  • TigerDriver
    Junior Member
    Junior Member
    • Apr 2005
    • 28

    Where do ImgBurn's MDS files come from?

    Howdy Folks,

    I haven't visited this board in many months due to huge life changes (including retirement, moving from the West to the East coast, etc.), so I haven't seen the evolution of the Imgburn and its integration into the Target menu of DVDShrink. So please accept a few questions--and I'll be happy to follow pointers to threads. (I tried to read the recommended guides, but my kept getting HTTP timeouts).
    ******************
    I'm an old hand at using DVDShrink/DVDDecrypter. Here's what I'm used to doing:

    (1) I use Decrypter to rip a disk to an ISO. This gives me a .ISO file and a .MDS file.

    (2) I then use Shrink to read the ISO file produced by Decrypter and reauthor to taste and shrink as necessary. I set Shrink to output an ISO.

    (3) If I want to burn the ISO from Shrink now, I select "Burn with DVDDecrypter" target, and when finished, delete the ISO. If I don't want to burn the ISO immediately, I just select the ISO option.

    (4) Assuming I chose not to burn immediately, at this point I have 2 ISO files: the one created by Decrypter containing the entire image, and the reauthored one created by Shrink suitable for writing on 4.7GB media. I also have the MDS file created by Decrypter. I've never known what this file was for, but Decrypter would scold me when I chose to burn an ISO when there was a corresponding ISO file available.

    (4) When it came time to burn the ISO, I'd select the Shrink version because I've never experimented with DL media. After burning, I delete Shrink's ISO and keep the full-sized ISO and its MDS file for posterity.

    The dropping price for bulk DL media, together with the new generation of HDMI up-converting DVD players (e.g. Sony Sony DVP-NS75H) have made want to write some movies to DL media.

    My question are:

    (1) If I read things correctly, ImgBurn doesn't rip DVDs. So where does the MDS file come from? (Based upon the scolding messages, I suspect that they contain optimization information such as where best to create layer breaks.)

    (2) What in a nutshell--besides convenience--do I get by using ImgBurn instead of DVD Decrypter?

    (3) If I switch to DL media, can I continue to do things the way I've always done them, or is there somthing in ImgBurn that enhances the outcome.

    (4) I have several 8GB ISOs around without MDS files (don't ask). Are there any special procedures needed to burn these, or just let ImgBurn figure stuff out on the fly?

    Thanks for your help,
    Last edited by TigerDriver; 25 Feb 2007, 10:10 AM. Reason: Typo; another question.
    Joe
    icantreadpoststhatarentpunctuated
  • soup
    Just Trying To Help
    • Nov 2005
    • 7524

    #2
    It's because you were ripping with Dvd Decrypter in ISO mode that the two files were created because that is the normal start of the process to do a straight 1to1 copy (Dual Layer). If Dvd Shrink was going to be involved because you were trying to make it fit on a single layer disc then the normal method would have been Dvd Decrypter in File Mode to rip it to your hard drive. ImgBurn is Dvd Decrypter's burn engine updated, in fact it has just been updated yet again. Now because of today's upodated protection & the fact that Dvd Decrypter no longer is, it needs some help. I am going to give you some links that you might find helpful & informative.









    That should get you going & if you have more questions, post back.

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    • ed klein
      Banned
      • Mar 2004
      • 880

      #3
      Have a happy retirement, stay active you will live longer, been retired 7 years now and still running all the time, also slows the aging process.



      Think young thoughts, more golf, and more DVD backups.
      Last edited by ed klein; 26 Feb 2007, 02:15 AM.

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      • JakeBlues
        Digital Video Enthusiast
        Digital Video Enthusiast
        • Dec 2006
        • 364

        #4
        Joe...
        One thing I have learned in my short time here... QUALITY media is everything. In my opinion one Single Layer Quality disk is worth 100 duel layer disk when used correctly. When you talk about falling prices, umm yeah they are but the Verbatim and the TY's they talk about there are the way to go. I prefer Sony (though they seem to be slipping abit) and the brand names we (older folks trusted as kids.. means NOTHING anymore) The TDK, Memorex, Maxwell's.. pttthph! Keep the good one's for yourself and give the cheapies to family and friends... I've started that recently!


        Also.. it's look funny but the links on it will answer MANY questions you may have:
        Last edited by JakeBlues; 26 Feb 2007, 05:39 AM. Reason: more info
        ElwoodsBrotherJake "...I'm on a mission from God, to help me and others from making coasters!

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        • TigerDriver
          Junior Member
          Junior Member
          • Apr 2005
          • 28

          #5
          Got Ripit4me, ImgBurn working for single layer, but not DL.

          Originally Posted by soup
          That should get you going & if you have more questions, post back.
          OK, I downloaded everthing and had success with a really stubborn disk, "The Heart of the Game." The final disk was nicely output to 8.5GB ISO file associated MDS files.

          When I open the ISO in DVDShrink, I wanted to reauthor so I could burn on just the movie on a 4.7MB media, but when I saw how the movie was scattered about--much of it in it a huge area of unreferenced material--I just burned the entire with Imgburn. Uneventfully. Thank you.

          Next I decided I'd like to burn it to a DL disk, which I'd never even tried.

          I bought 5 DL's Best Buy. (ImgBurn's startup info below.)


          I put a Verbatim +R DL, fired up ImbBurn, selected the ISO, set the (Benq) Booktype to -ROM, and let'er rip (so to speak). It worked until it got to the about 50%, then failed a sector write after multiple retries. Coster #1.

          I tried exactly same thing with eactly same result, except it made it to about 70%. Coaster #2.

          So I decided to try an unopened box of Verbatim I'd bought on eBay. I did exactly the same steps, including setting the Booktype to -ROM. I tried two of these disks, and the lead-in doesn't even write. (ImgBurn's startup info below.)

          The disks appear physcially identical. (I've attached a scan of one.)

          So far, I'm zero for about 5. I'm at a loss. I'm willing to spring for a new writer, but the Benq has been a really good performer for me, and I don't want to jump to a fancy new one until I've exhausted the possibilities that I've mis-configured the software (or something else.)

          Any ideas?

          Joe



          ***********ImgBurn's startup screen for the Best Buy Verbatim *******

          BENQ DVD DD DW1620 B7W9 (ATA)
          Current Profile: DVD+R DL

          Disc Information:
          Status: Empty
          Erasable: No
          Free Sectors: 4,173,824
          Free Space: 8,547,991,552 bytes
          Free Time: 927:32:74 (MM:SS:FF)
          Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x

          DVD±R DL Boundary Information:
          L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,086,912
          Changeable: Yes

          Physical Format Information (ADIP):
          Disc ID: MKM-003-00
          Book Type: DVD+R DL
          Part Version: 1
          Disc Size: 120mm
          Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
          Number of Layers: 2
          Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
          Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
          Track Density: 0.74 um/track
          First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
          Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607
          Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,519

          Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
          Disc ID: MKM-003-00
          Book Type: DVD+R DL
          Part Version: 1
          Disc Size: 120mm
          Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
          Number of Layers: 2
          Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
          Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
          Track Density: 0.74 um/track
          First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
          Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607
          Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,520
          <end best buy>

          ***********ImgBurn's startup screen for the eBay Verbatim disk*******
          BENQ DVD DD DW1620 B7W9 (ATA)
          Current Profile: DVD+R DL

          Disc Information:
          Status: Empty
          Erasable: No
          Free Sectors: 4,173,824
          Free Space: 8,547,991,552 bytes
          Free Time: 927:32:74 (MM:SS:FF)
          Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x

          DVD±R DL Boundary Information:
          L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,086,912
          Changeable: Yes

          Physical Format Information (ADIP):
          Disc ID: MKM-003-00
          Book Type: DVD+R DL
          Part Version: 1
          Disc Size: 120mm
          Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
          Number of Layers: 2
          Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
          Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
          Track Density: 0.74 um/track
          First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
          Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607
          Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,519

          Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
          Disc ID: MKM-003-00
          Book Type: DVD+R DL
          Part Version: 1
          Disc Size: 120mm
          Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
          Number of Layers: 2
          Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
          Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
          Track Density: 0.74 um/track
          First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
          Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607
          Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,520
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          Joe
          icantreadpoststhatarentpunctuated

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          • blutach
            Not a god of digital video
            • Oct 2004
            • 24627

            #6
            Post your ImgBurn log - get it in %appdata%/ImgBurn

            Regards
            Les

            Essential progs - [PgcEdit] [VobBlanker] [MenuShrink] [IfoEdit] [Muxman] [DVD Remake Pro] [DVD Rebuilder] [BeSweet] [Media Player Classic] [DVDSubEdit] [ImgBurn]

            Media and Burning - [Golden Rules of Burning] [Media quality] [Fix your DMA] [Update your Firmware] [What's my Media ID Code?] [How to test your disc]
            [What's bitsetting?] [Burn dual layer disks safely] [Why not to burn with Ner0] [Interpret Ner0's burn errors] [Got bad playback?] [Burner/Media compatibility]

            Cool Techniques - [2COOL's guides] [Clean your DVD] [Join a flipper] [Split into 2 DVDs] [Save heaps of Mb] [How to mock strip] [Cool Insert Clips]

            Real useful info - [FAQ INDEX] [Compression explained] [Logical Remapping of Enabled Streams] [DVD-Replica] [Fantastic info on DVDs]


            You should only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media. Many thanks to www.pcx.com.au for their supply and great service.

            Explore the sites and the programs - there's a gold mine of information in them

            Don't forget to play the Digital Digest Quiz!!! (Click here)

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            • TigerDriver
              Junior Member
              Junior Member
              • Apr 2005
              • 28

              #7
              I have ImgBurn's log set to append, but in fact it's overwriting each time. I looked in the registry and didn't see anything obvious.

              Any ideas?

              I have one of the Best Buy DVDs and several of the eBay DVDs left. I'll burn each and copy the log off to a separate file.
              Joe
              icantreadpoststhatarentpunctuated

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              • soup
                Just Trying To Help
                • Nov 2005
                • 7524

                #8
                put a Verbatim +R DL, fired up ImbBurn, selected the ISO, set the (Benq) Booktype to -ROM, and let'er rip (so to speak).
                Did you mean to say MDS file here instead of ISO?

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                • blutach
                  Not a god of digital video
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 24627

                  #9
                  Originally Posted by TigerDriver
                  I have ImgBurn's log set to append, but in fact it's overwriting each time. I looked in the registry and didn't see anything obvious.

                  Any ideas?
                  On the events tab, tick save the log and overwrite existing. If in doubt, click defaults, exit the prog and enable these settings again.

                  Regards
                  Les

                  Essential progs - [PgcEdit] [VobBlanker] [MenuShrink] [IfoEdit] [Muxman] [DVD Remake Pro] [DVD Rebuilder] [BeSweet] [Media Player Classic] [DVDSubEdit] [ImgBurn]

                  Media and Burning - [Golden Rules of Burning] [Media quality] [Fix your DMA] [Update your Firmware] [What's my Media ID Code?] [How to test your disc]
                  [What's bitsetting?] [Burn dual layer disks safely] [Why not to burn with Ner0] [Interpret Ner0's burn errors] [Got bad playback?] [Burner/Media compatibility]

                  Cool Techniques - [2COOL's guides] [Clean your DVD] [Join a flipper] [Split into 2 DVDs] [Save heaps of Mb] [How to mock strip] [Cool Insert Clips]

                  Real useful info - [FAQ INDEX] [Compression explained] [Logical Remapping of Enabled Streams] [DVD-Replica] [Fantastic info on DVDs]


                  You should only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media. Many thanks to www.pcx.com.au for their supply and great service.

                  Explore the sites and the programs - there's a gold mine of information in them

                  Don't forget to play the Digital Digest Quiz!!! (Click here)

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