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    Default My first Memorex coaster!

    was preparing some lasagna, looked over to the pc just to look at nero progress bar and saw momentarily,the buffers fluttering like a bat outta hell. (never happens obviously) it didn't revert to PIO mode either. anyway, it burned for a minute more with buffers stable then i looked back and sure enough, "burn process failed at 4x". Bastard! i took that disc and hucked it across the room nearly clipping Mrs. columbo in the kisser and put another disc in. burned fine (log at bottom). i've burned about 12 so far perfect till this one.

    REASON: ritek G05. first time i ever had memorex discs other than CMC MAG. log on top is the fail. Only reason i got these cause they were out of bloody sony's. where the buffers fluttered it created a nice burn ring (within the burn ring). 12 discs in to this, a coaster. hundreds of sony's and CMC's, not 1 skip or ever a coaster.

    (some parts of logs cut due to character limits)

    Code:
    Windows XP 5.1
    IA32
    WinAspi: -
    ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 26/10/2004 5:35:34 PM 
    Nero Version: 6.6.0.8 (Nero Express)
    Recorder:             <LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1213S>Version: TS0D - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.6.0.8
     Adapter driver:      <atapi>                   HA 1
     Drive buffer  :      2048kB
     Bus Type      :      default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI 
    CD-ROM:               <LITE-ON  LTR-52246S      >Version: 6S02 - HA 1 TA 1 - 6.6.0.8
     Adapter driver:      <atapi>                   HA 1
    
    === Scsi-Device-Map 
    DiskPeripheral       : ST3160021A                       atapi Port 0 ID 0  DMA: On 
    DiskPeripheral       : Maxtor 2F040J0                   atapi Port 0 ID 1  DMA: On 
    CdRomPeripheral      : LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1213S         atapi Port 1 ID 0  DMA: On 
    CdRomPeripheral      : LITE-ON LTR-52246S               atapi Port 1 ID 1  DMA: On 
    
    === CDRom-Device-Map 
    LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1213S   E:   CDRom0
    LITE-ON LTR-52246S         F:   CDRom1
    ====
    AutoRun : 1
    Excluded drive IDs: 
    WriteBufferSize: 70254592 (0) Byte
    ShowDrvBufStat : 0
    BUFE           : 0
    Physical memory     : 479MB (490992kB)
    Free physical memory: 297MB (304836kB)
    Memory in use       : 37 %
    Uncached PFiles: 0x0
    Use Inquiry    : 1
    Global Bus Type: default (0)
    Check supported media : Disabled (0) 
    
    15.12.2005
    UDF/ISO compilation
    7:04:56 PM	#1 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    	DVD-Video files reallocation started
    	
    7:04:57 PM	#2 Phase 114 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    	DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)
    	
    7:04:57 PM	#3 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6172
    	Iso document burn settings
    	---
    	Determine maximum speed : FALSE
    	Simulate                : FALSE
    	Write                   : TRUE
    	Finalize CD             : TRUE
    	Multisession            : FALSE
    	Burning mode            : DAO
    	Mode                    : 1
    	ISO Level               : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
    	Character set           : ISO 9660
    	Joliet                  :FALSE
    	Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : FALSE
    	Allow more than 255 characters in path  : FALSE
    	Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions        : TRUE
    	
    7:04:57 PM	#4 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    	DVD-Video files sorted
    	
    7:04:57 PM	#5 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 127
    	Reader running
    	
    7:04:57 PM	#6 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 122
    	Writer LITE-ON  DVDRW SOHW-1213S running
    	
    7:04:57 PM	#7 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3293
    	First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
    	
    7:04:57 PM	#8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3293
    	First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
    	
    7:04:58 PM	#9 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3153
    	Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media
    	
    7:04:58 PM	#10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 259
    	Last possible write address on media:  2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
    	Last address to be written:            2110479 (468:59.54, 4122MB)
    	
    7:04:58 PM	#11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 271
    	Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)
    	
    7:04:58 PM	#12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2316
    	Recorder: LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1213S, Media type: DVD-R
    	 Disc Manufacturer: RITEKG - 05
    	 Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193
    	
    7:04:58 PM	#13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 433
    	>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
    	==
    	
    7:04:58 PM	#14 Text 0 File Th
    	Setup items (after recorder preparation)
    	 0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 ()
    	    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
    	    original disc pos #0 + 211
    	    relocatable, disc pos for cach no patch infos
    	    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2110480 blocks [LITE-ON  DVDRW SOHW-1213S]
    	----
    	
    7:04:58 PM	#15 Text 0 File Threa
    	Prepare recorder [LITE-ON  DVDRW SOHW-1213S] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
    	DAO infos:
    	==========
    	 MCN: ""
    	 TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
    	 Tracks 1 to 1:
    	   1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos             0             0    4322263040, ISRC ""
    	DAO layout:
    	===========
    	 __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_
    	       0 |  lead-in |   0 |    0x41 | 0x00
    	       0 |        1 |   0 |    0x41 | 0x00
    	       0 |        1 |   1 |    0x41 | 0x00
    	 2110480 | lead-out |   1 |    0x41 | 0x00
    	
    7:04:59 PM	#16 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    	Caching of files started
    	
    7:04:59 PM	#17 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4040
    	Cache writing successful.
    	
    7:04:59 PM	#18 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    	Caching of files completed
    	
    7:04:59 PM	#19 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    	Burn process started at 4x (5,540 KB/s)
    	
    7:04:59 PM	#20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2609
    	Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
    	
    7:04:59 PM	#21 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2194
    	Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode
    	
    7:04:59 PM	#22 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 21235
    	Set BUFE: Buffer underrun protection -> ON , SMART-BURN : ON
    	
    7:04:59 PM	#23 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2340
    	Start write address at LBA 0
    	DVD high compatibility mode: Yes
    	
    7:04:59 PM	#24 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 8430
    	---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
    	Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
    	 Book Type: DVD-R   (2), Part Version: 5
    	 Disc Size: 120 mm,      Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
    	 Number of Layers: 1,    Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP),  Layer Type: recordable
    	 Linear Density:         0,267 um/bit,  Track Density:  0,74 um/track
    	 Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
    	 End Physical Sector Number of Data Area:      0 h
    	 End Sector Number in Layer 0:                 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
    	 Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
    	  Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 0 h
    	  Start sector number of the next Border-In:     0 h
    	 Media Specific [16..63]:
    	      00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00     ................
    	      00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 -    ................
    	      00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
    	
    7:05:18 PM	#25 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1287
    	19:05:18.359 - LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1213S\H1 T0 : Queue again later
    	
    7:15:51 PM	#26 SCSI -1135 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1435
    	SCSI Exec, HA 1, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x09B60000
    	Status:     0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    	HA-Status   0x00 (0x00, OK)
    	TA-Status   0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    	Sense Key:  0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
    	Sense Code: 0x0C
    	Sense Qual: 0x00
    	CDB Data:   0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x18 0x13 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00 
    	Sense Data: 0x71 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A 
    	            0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0C 0x00 
    	
    7:15:51 PM	#27 CDR -1135 File Writer.cpp, Line 311
    	Write error
    	
    7:15:52 PM	#28 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228
    	all writers idle, stopping conversion
    	
    7:15:56 PM	#29 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 222
    	conversion idle, stopping reader
    	
    7:15:56 PM	#30 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2603
    	EndDAO: Last written address was 1577759
    	
    7:16:05 PM	#31 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    	Burn process failed at 4x (5,540 KB/s)
    	
    
    Existing drivers:
    
    Registry Keys:
    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

    Code:
    Nero Serial Removed*
    
    Windows XP 5.1
    IA32
    WinAspi: -
    ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 26/10/2004 5:35:34 PM 
    Nero Version: 6.6.0.8 (Nero Express)
    Recorder:             <LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1213S>Version: TS0D - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.6.0.8
     Adapter driver:      <atapi>                   HA 1
     Drive buffer  :      2048kB
     Bus Type      :      default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI 
    CD-ROM:               <LITE-ON  LTR-52246S      >Version: 6S02 - HA 1 TA 1 - 6.6.0.8
     Adapter driver:      <atapi>                   HA 1
    
    === Scsi-Device-Map ===
    DiskPeripheral       : ST3160021A                       atapi Port 0 ID 0  DMA: On 
    DiskPeripheral       : Maxtor 2F040J0                   atapi Port 0 ID 1  DMA: On 
    CdRomPeripheral      : LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1213S         atapi Port 1 ID 0  DMA: On 
    CdRomPeripheral      : LITE-ON LTR-52246S               atapi Port 1 ID 1  DMA: On 
    
    === CDRom-Device-Map ===
    LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1213S   E:   CDRom0
    LITE-ON LTR-52246S         F:   CDRom1
    ===
    
    AutoRun : 1
    Excluded drive IDs: 
    WriteBufferSize: 70254592 (0) Byte
    ShowDrvBufStat : 0
    BUFE           : 0
    Physical memory     : 479MB (490992kB)
    Free physical memory: 259MB (265708kB)
    Memory in use       : 45 %
    Uncached PFiles: 0x0
    Use Inquiry    : 1
    Global Bus Type: default (0)
    Check supported media : Disabled (0) 
    
    15.12.2005
    UDF/ISO compilation
    7:21:46 PM	#1 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    	DVD-Video files reallocation started
    	
    7:21:46 PM	#2 Phase 114 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    	DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)
    	
    7:21:46 PM	#3 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6172
    	Iso document burn settings
    	----
    	Determine maximum speed : FALSE
    	Simulate                : FALSE
    	Write                   : TRUE
    	Finalize CD             : TRUE
    	Multisession            : FALSE
    	Burning mode            : DAO
    	Mode                    : 1
    	ISO Level               : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
    	Character set           : ISO 9660
    	Joliet                  :FALSE
    	Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : FALSE
    	Allow more than 255 characters in path  : FALSE
    	Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions        : TRUE
    	
    7:21:46 PM	#4 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    	DVD-Video files sorted
    	
    7:21:46 PM	#5 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 127
    	Reader running
    	
    7:21:46 PM	#6 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 122
    	Writer LITE-ON  DVDRW SOHW-1213S running
    	
    7:21:46 PM	#7 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3293
    	First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
    	
    7:21:47 PM	#8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3293
    	First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
    	
    7:21:47 PM	#9 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3153
    	Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media
    	
    7:21:47 PM	#10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 259
    	Last possible write address on media:  2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
    	Last address to be written:            2110479 (468:59.54, 4122MB)
    	
    7:21:47 PM	#11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 271
    	Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)
    	
    7:21:47 PM	#12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2316
    	Recorder: LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1213S, Media type: DVD-R
    	 Disc Manufacturer: RITEKG - 05
    	 Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193
    	
    7:21:47 PM	#13 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 433
    	>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
    	==
    	
    7:21:47 PM	#14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 830
    	Setup items (after recorder preparation)
    	 0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 ()
    	    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
    	    original disc pos #0 + 2110480 (2110480) = #2110480/468:59.55
    	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/ required, no patch infos
    	    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2110480 blocks [LITE-ON  DVDRW SOHW-1213S]
    	-----
    	
    7:21:47 PM	#15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1043
    	Prepare recorder [LITE-ON  DVDRW SOHW-1213S] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
    	DAO infos:
    	==========
    	 MCN: ""
    	 TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
    	 Tracks 1 to 1:
    	   1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos             0             0    4322263040, ISRC ""
    	DAO layout:
    	===========
    	 __Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_RecDe
    	       0 |  lead-in |   0 |    0x41 | 0x0
    	       0 |        1 |   0 |    0x41 | 0x00
    	       0 |        1 |   1 |    0x41 | 0x00
    	 2110480 | lead-out |   1 |    0x41 | 0x00
    	
    7:21:48 PM	#16 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    	Caching of files started
    	
    7:21:48 PM	#17 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4040
    	Cache writing successful.
    	
    7:21:48 PM	#18 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    	Caching of files completed
    	
    7:21:48 PM	#19 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    	Burn process started at 4x (5,540 KB/s)
    	
    7:21:48 PM	#20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2609
    	Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
    	
    7:21:48 PM	#21 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2194
    	Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode
    	
    7:21:48 PM	#22 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 21235
    	Set BUFE: Buffer underrun protection -> ON , SMART-BURN : ON
    	
    	 Linear Density:         0,267 um/bit,  Track Density:  0,74 um/track
    	 Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
    	 End Physical Sector Number of Data Area:      0 h
    	 End Sector Number in Layer 0:                 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
    	 Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
    	  Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 0 h
    	  Start sector number of the next Border-In:     0 h
    	 Media Specific [16..63]:
    	      00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
    	      00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 0    ................
    	      00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 0    ................
    	
    7:22:05 PM	#25 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1287
    	19:22:05.687 - LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1213S\H1 T0 : Queue again later
    	
    7:35:12 PM	#26 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 116
    	<LITE-ON  DVDRW SOHW-1213S> start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2110480 (203410h), lenght 0 blocks
    	
    7:35:12 PM	#27 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 228
    	all writers idle, stopping conversion
    	
    7:35:12 PM	#28 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 2603
    	EndDAO: Last written address was 2110479
    	
    7:35:34 PM	#29 Phase 37 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1832
    	Burn process completed successfully at 4x (5,540 KB/s)
    	
    
    Existing drivers:
    Last edited by jmet; 16 Dec 2005 at 06:53 PM
    "One day men will look back and say I gave birth to the 20th Century". Jack The Ripper - 1888
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    "Double Shock" "The Greenhouse Jungle" "Swan Song" FORUM RULES
    "You try to contrive a perfect alibi, and it's your perfect alibi that's gonna hang ya."
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    OMG A bad Memorex disc? What is the world coming to?! I love Memorexes, hopefully I will never have a coaster!
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    you shouldn't when yours are MCC, totally different from the above.
    "One day men will look back and say I gave birth to the 20th Century". Jack The Ripper - 1888
    Columbo moments...
    "Double Shock" "The Greenhouse Jungle" "Swan Song" FORUM RULES
    "You try to contrive a perfect alibi, and it's your perfect alibi that's gonna hang ya."
    (An Exercise In Fatality, 1974)



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    Alright, good. I only have 3 of them left though so hopefully when I buy more, they will be the good ones
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    I had another recent post where jmet said Memorex were among the worst media. I have never had a problem with them but how do you tell if the batch you have is crappy. I already thru the wrapper away. Is it on the disc? It was interesting to hear others who use Memorex as they are really cheap at Walmart. I have about 75 blanks of DVD-r and +r's. I have had real good luck with this batch.

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    Sorry to hear this LT but get yourself involved in a good old fashioned homicide.I know you will be ok.Just don't create a set of them I don't think you or Mrs Columbo could stand the strain.How was the lasagna?I just remembered my son bought me some Memorex discs in their own dvd cases decided to put one in DVDD CMC MAG.AF1 whew.
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    My question has been answered before, sorry. I just downloaded DVDIdentifier, my Memorex's are CMC's. sigh.

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    @Looie

    Those G05 sure have a rotten rep.

    Maybe make it a golden rule of burning - no G05s!
    damn right!

    Sorry to hear this LT but get yourself involved in a good old fashioned homicide.I know you will be ok.Just don't create a set of them I don't think you or Mrs Columbo could stand the strain.How was the lasagna?I just remembered my son bought me some Memorex discs in their own dvd cases decided to put one in DVDD CMC MAG.AF1 whew.
    @soup
    lasagne was good


    @toomanycats
    dvd decrypter and most nero logs will also tell you the ID code. i picked up the same discs as always from the same aisle, same shelf--oh well. i'm going to see if i can swap some of these with a relative.
    "One day men will look back and say I gave birth to the 20th Century". Jack The Ripper - 1888
    Columbo moments...
    "Double Shock" "The Greenhouse Jungle" "Swan Song" FORUM RULES
    "You try to contrive a perfect alibi, and it's your perfect alibi that's gonna hang ya."
    (An Exercise In Fatality, 1974)



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    LT.,
    why -r's?, ur burner doesn't like dvd-r's????????

    nero update??????????????????

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    @blu, when wal-mart sells ty for cheap, i'll buy. but this is really just a unique situation as i had to "settle" on this stuff this time. my burner likes either. it's my toshiba standalone that pukes at +r.

    i knew chewy would mention the nero! lol, no sir-re bob. i know that with this version it suits my normal media purchases perfect, so for now still, i will leave it
    "One day men will look back and say I gave birth to the 20th Century". Jack The Ripper - 1888
    Columbo moments...
    "Double Shock" "The Greenhouse Jungle" "Swan Song" FORUM RULES
    "You try to contrive a perfect alibi, and it's your perfect alibi that's gonna hang ya."
    (An Exercise In Fatality, 1974)



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    bitset any +r's ? burner capable?
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    Ritek G05 is only worth bothering with if they are Ritek Ridisc Extreme discs. Any other G05 suffer from poor quality control due to not being made by Ritek themselves.

    I am still using G04 and as I still have 150 of them. I will be using them for some quite time. I don't burn faster than 4x anyway and that is less than 50% of the time.

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    To Lt. Columbo: "Swap them with a relative", I hope you mean "in laws", There not really related anyway. (That's what I keep telling myself.)

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