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  • UncasMS
    Super Moderator
    • Nov 2001
    • 9047

    Another quality comparison using SPIDERMAN

    i have compared the following transcoder/encoder against each other:

    DVD2one v 2.04
    CCE 2.70
    CloneDVD2.5x
    CloneDVD2.8x
    HC 017
    ProCoder2
    Recode2
    DVDShrink32015

    cce, hc and procoder were used via dvdrebuilder PRO 1.081
    cce was used with 3 passes
    hc with profile BEST
    procoder2 with mastering quality
    shrink was used with max smoothness + aec
    clonedvd, dvd2one and recode with the best settings i could find available


    spiderman was converted with all languages and all bonus/extra material
    the avertage bitrate was ~2.200kbps


    Click here to see the screenshots
    Last edited by UncasMS; 18 Mar 2006, 11:00 AM.
  • sonic_emperor
    Digital Video Expert
    Digital Video Expert
    • Mar 2003
    • 560

    #2
    im colorblind for some colours,and i took a look only at first pic...and only ones i was interested in(shrink/procoder/hc) and i think procoder did the best job...
    waiting for someone with better eyes to take a look at all of them...
    cro-anthem-video

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    • UncasMS
      Super Moderator
      • Nov 2001
      • 9047

      #3
      i am the last to object ^_~

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      • elizerrojas
        Digital Video Technician
        Digital Video Technician
        • Jan 2005
        • 484

        #4
        wow! great work. thanks a lot Uncass.
        just a few comments. as spected, encoders are king, procoder best(wow), HC and CCE more or less the same. from what i can see, among the transcoders, shrink and recode2 have the same quality. the others are not so good.

        p:s: the slowest transcoders(shrink and recode2 are slower than the rest, specially with AEC and deep A.) produce better quality.
        encoders are much slower than transcoders and the produce the best quality. so. more time= better quality.

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        • elizerrojas
          Digital Video Technician
          Digital Video Technician
          • Jan 2005
          • 484

          #5
          for transcoder that has not and will not be updated again, shrink is GREAT.
          Last edited by elizerrojas; 18 Mar 2006, 10:47 AM.

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          • l8nights
            DD folding team
            • Jun 2005
            • 76

            #6
            once again outstanding work Uncas, you are indeed a patient soul.

            for an overall vote I've have to go with pro2

            the only thing I could think of better would be side by side real time frame set's

            kudo's glad someone does the leg work instead of stating, "the best is..." =)
            The future doesn't just happen its created through our actions or inactions~ today!

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            • nwg
              Left *****
              • Jun 2003
              • 5196

              #7
              Originally Posted by sonic_emperor
              im colorblind for some colours,and i took a look only at first pic...and only ones i was interested in(shrink/procoder/hc) and i think procoder did the best job...
              waiting for someone with better eyes to take a look at all of them...
              I am colour blind as well (red and green). Procoder also looks the best to me. Shrink and Recode look almost identical and no clear winner out of those two. The worse was DVD2One which didn't surprise me at all.

              There was also little to choose from between HC and CCE. It has reinforced what I use. I use Shrink a lot but use DVD-RB on 50%-60% reduction DVD's. I then use Procoder if I want to get the best results and use HCEnc instead of CCE as it produces similar results and is free.

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              • tigerman8u
                Lord of Digital Video
                Lord of Digital Video
                • Aug 2003
                • 2123

                #8
                that's a really good comparison
                thanx UncasMS

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                • BR7
                  He is coming to your little town!
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 2137

                  #9
                  I'm thinking about going to ebay and pick up procoder 2.0 it does a great job but anyway back to the topic UncasMS thanks for taking the time to do this your hard work is appreciated
                  EDIT
                  @ UncasMS
                  Procoder2 is a bit pricey what's your opinion on Procoder Express would it be with worth the $60 I can get it for
                  Last edited by BR7; 19 Mar 2006, 07:57 AM.

                  My Blu-ray Collection

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                  • UncasMS
                    Super Moderator
                    • Nov 2001
                    • 9047

                    #10
                    i am not too sure wether the express version will be doing a good job or not

                    and more importantly i doubt it will work correctly with rb but again: i am not sure - i never tried

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                    • BR7
                      He is coming to your little town!
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 2137

                      #11
                      Thanks UncasMS

                      My Blu-ray Collection

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                      • Furiousg
                        If you have any poo....throw it now
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 306

                        #12
                        Wow. Procoder looks terrific in those comparisons.

                        And I really like the layout of the tests Uncas. Really helps with comparing the shots.
                        Thanx a huge bunch !
                        -FuriousG-



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                        • UncasMS
                          Super Moderator
                          • Nov 2001
                          • 9047

                          #13
                          thanks

                          i decided to create a separate page as i did not want extremely long loading times once again each and every time one opens this thread

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                          • donpipo
                            Junior Member
                            Junior Member
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 5

                            #14
                            ok to admit that procoder looks better than others
                            but it alters the picture a lot! trading details for a better looking whole picture. am i wrong?

                            also the colors seem a bit saturated/darkened compared with original and others competitors.

                            this reminds me xvid vs divx contests where xvid won for details kept at the cost of a little blokier picture, whereas divx showed a cleaner picture but less detailed and blurry.

                            sure procoder looks greater on still images, but i prefer keeping noise and details, and the conformity of colors.

                            i'll pick HC for the quality/free aspect.

                            a question though: was HC used in OPV mode? and is there a big trade-off using OPV or not?

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                            • techreactor
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2005
                              • 1309

                              #15
                              Originally Posted by donpipo
                              and is there a big trade-off using OPV or not?
                              I can only answer this part since I tried using OPV and trust me, OPV does not give you good sharp pictures, nowhere near the 2 pass, unless you have got a high bitrate available.

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