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  • dmanshead
    Consequence is a bigger word than you think, it's bigger than you or me
    • Dec 2005
    • 376

    80 or 40 pin cables?

    What would you use to hook your optical devices up to and why?
    If you use these forums you will not have to face that...
    Long Live Foamy!!!

    My burners Nec ND 3550A, Benq DQ60, Liteon SHW P6S, 2 Sony AW_Q170A's (free with my new system) and JLMS XJ-HD S.
  • sonic_emperor
    Digital Video Expert
    Digital Video Expert
    • Mar 2003
    • 560

    #2
    i use 40 pin...dont really know the difference,but everythings been ok untill now
    cro-anthem-video

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    • dmanshead
      Consequence is a bigger word than you think, it's bigger than you or me
      • Dec 2005
      • 376

      #3
      I was using the 40 myself but when my computer boots up it gives me a message that no 80 pin connector cable is on my secondary, just started seeing this after i installed a BenQ DQ60.
      If you use these forums you will not have to face that...
      Long Live Foamy!!!

      My burners Nec ND 3550A, Benq DQ60, Liteon SHW P6S, 2 Sony AW_Q170A's (free with my new system) and JLMS XJ-HD S.

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      • jm1647
        An Eagles Fan, A MenuShrinker
        • Apr 2005
        • 3661

        #4
        All the IDE cables are 40 pin. Some have 40 wire (older) some have 80 wires. The 80 wire 40 pins are best.

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        • Chewy
          Super Moderator
          • Nov 2003
          • 18971

          #5
          Old worries me more than the number of conductors. Tests show a 5-10%
          improvement with 80 conductor cables and dma 2 optical drives, but that may be old vs new.

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          • sonic_emperor
            Digital Video Expert
            Digital Video Expert
            • Mar 2003
            • 560

            #6
            now i understand it a bit more
            cro-anthem-video

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            • jm1647
              An Eagles Fan, A MenuShrinker
              • Apr 2005
              • 3661

              #7
              All the burners I have bought that came with IDE cables have been 40 pin 80 wire. The colors of the connectors on the 80 wire are (they ones I have gotten anyway) blue to the MB. Grey to the slave and black to the master. Looking at the 2 cables you can tell the difference quick by looking at the cable.

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              • Chewy
                Super Moderator
                • Nov 2003
                • 18971

                #8
                and people with dells still insist on using cable select

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                • dmanshead
                  Consequence is a bigger word than you think, it's bigger than you or me
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 376

                  #9
                  my dell doesn't use cable select. it's old and i've worked it over 1 or 2 times.
                  If you use these forums you will not have to face that...
                  Long Live Foamy!!!

                  My burners Nec ND 3550A, Benq DQ60, Liteon SHW P6S, 2 Sony AW_Q170A's (free with my new system) and JLMS XJ-HD S.

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                  • bill7621
                    It could be worse.
                    • Jun 2005
                    • 229

                    #10
                    Originally Posted by Chewy
                    and people with dells still insist on using cable select
                    So what are the differences between master/slave and cs? I'm set cs. Would I notice an improvement? What are the benefits of master/slave? I asked once before and still didn't get a grip on it. I've never had an issue and figured "it ain't broke, don't fix it"
                    Last edited by bill7621; 21 Jun 2006, 05:52 AM.
                    Blessed are they who expect nothing, for they shall not be disappointed!

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                    • Chewy
                      Super Moderator
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 18971

                      #11
                      When you go to change anything, cable or drive(s), cable select is an accident waiting to happen, it's really obsolete. Drives get picky about
                      what's sharing with them, almost every dvd burner and pata hard drive come
                      jumpered master or slave(wd excepted/standalone master), not cable select.
                      You are supposed to have a special cable, I just replace to be safe.

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                      • blutach
                        Not a god of digital video
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 24627

                        #12
                        A 40 pin cable can handle DMA2 with ease. You want 80 pins for your hard drives (DMA5). Chewy's old vs new is also relevant. But get 80 anyway!

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                        Les

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                        • jm1647
                          An Eagles Fan, A MenuShrinker
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 3661

                          #13
                          Requirement: The 80-conductor cable was first defined with the original Ultra DMA modes 0, 1 and 2, covering transfer speeds up to 33.3 MB/s. The cable is considered "optional" for those modes. However, for any Ultra DMA modes above mode 2, the 80-conductor cable is mandatory.

                          The above was copied from here


                          IDE Rate Rate Pins
                          Drive PIO MBytes DMA MBytes in
                          Type Mode per sec Mode per sec Cable

                          ATA 0 3.3 0 4.2 40
                          ATA 1 5.2 40
                          ATA 2 8.3

                          ATA-2, 3 3 11.1 1 13.3 40
                          ATA-2, 3 4 16.6 2 16.6 40

                          ATA-4 (ATA-33) 2 33.3 40

                          ATA-5 0 16.6 40
                          ATA-5 1 25.0 40
                          ATA-5 (ATA-33) 2 33.3 40
                          ATA-5 3 44.4 80
                          ATA-5 (ATA-66) 4 66.6 80

                          ATA-6 (ATA-100) 5 100.0 80

                          ATA-7 (ATA-133) 5 133.0 80

                          Serial ATA (SATA) 5 150.0 4
                          Serial ATA II (SATA II) 5 300.0 4

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                          • ed klein
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 880

                            #14
                            When you open your case (at least once per year) after cleaning all the fans, cpu cooling fins, and removing all the dust.

                            This is a good excuse to remove the 40 pin, 40 leads and replace with the 40 pin, 80 lead cable to the primary and secondary IDE cables. Real cheap and worth the effort.

                            Future motheboards are looking at not even having IDE connections, just replacing with SATA connections. Which means all your hard drives and optical DVD units with have to be SATA compatable.

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                            • sonic_emperor
                              Digital Video Expert
                              Digital Video Expert
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 560

                              #15
                              how can i tell if its 40/80 lead?
                              cro-anthem-video

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